2 year old campaign poll!!!!

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Aren't you the one that thought Discreet Cat should have run in the BC Mile?

Is he not the best miler in the world?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Maybe the best dirt miler, although I am not going to annoint him the next coming yet. Not to bring the whole thing up again, and I know I brought it up. but, there is a huge difference between dirt, and turf racing. just as there is a huge difference between training and racing. You don't feel there is a difference with either, so frankly a discussion about it would be pointless.

That's not true. I do feel there is a difference and the lesser the horse, the more difficulty they will have switching. But I don't think it matters as much for the truly top horses. Do I know for a fact that Discreet Cat would win the Mile? Of course not. But I think that distance would have been better for him than either the Sprint or the Classic. Did anyone know Lure would run better on grass than he did on dirt? What about War Chant? Prized? Three examples of horses that went on to win BC races in either their first or second starts on the grass. And what about all of the horses that run on grass and then run well on dirt in their first start like Sakhee, Giant's Causeway, Arcangues, Johannesburg, Arazi, etc? People act like it's totally impossible for horses to go from one surface to the other. I'm not going to sit here and discount Discreet Cat's chances before he's even tried it. To me, that's sillier than suggesting he try it. I come from the school of thought that says first u find a horse's best distance then u find a class level that he fits at. Then u worry about the surface.

[blackthroatedwind]

Lure's BC Mile in 1992 was his third career turf start.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Lure's BC Mile in 1992 was his third career turf start.

Thanks. I thought it was his second after the Kelso.

[blackthroatedwind]

He won an allowance race before losing the Kelso.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Question, do you think there is a big difference between running one turn and two? Because IMO there is a big difference running in 4 and 5 horse fileds going a one turn mile, than 13 or 14 going two turns, on a surface that you've never tried before.

If u are a come from behind horse, it could be a big difference. If u are a speed horse that gets whatever position u want, I think it's less of an issue. Talking about field size. As for the whole running one or two turns, I think that it could be an issue. It is for a lot of horses. But I'm not going to automatically assume that a horse can't do it. It seems that u lean toward assuming that he can't while I lean toward assuming that he can. What I was doing was looking at the three options for him, the Sprint, Mile, and Classic. All three would have presented new challenges to him. I felt that the Mile would have been the easiest of the three. Not easy in an of itself but the easiest of the three.

[pmayjr]

There will be a slight twist in Derby Preps if you go the KY route (lol I said "KY Route" tee he he he he).

Because it will be Poly-track at both Turfway and Keeneland now instead of just at Turfway. For that horse that maybe finishes a consistent 2nd or 3rd on that stuff in Derby Preps... might get my "Street Sense" up for when he switches to the dirt hehe.

But recent history shows the way to go is Arkansas

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

But recent history shows the way to go is Arkansas

I'm sorry.....you're suggesting that prepping in Arkansas is some sort of magic elixor?

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