American Pharoah... what's next for our new Champion? (The Haskell)

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Coincidentally, it's the only race where a strong pace rival (or two) was in front him early and did not fold like a cheap suit, forcing him to dig into his "reserves" if you like.

That is besides when Om outran him in his debut.


You should at least know that Kentuckian would run dead last. Or are we assuming that he'll have won the Los Alamitos Derby, Travers, and Pennsylvania Derby by widening lengths with no sign of weakening or vulnerability that would make one think that he couldn't just simply keep going on and on no matter the pace scenario, distance, surface, or planet for that matter?


Why? Because Coach Inge was making his graded stakes debut from a conditioned allowance race, yet ran nearly as fast as the subsequent Triple Crown winner? In fact, running a faster final quarter mile than AP, ironically the lynchpin amongst a cascade of commentators as to why American Pharoah's Belmont was such a megaperformance.


But that's why numbers came to prominence, because people's biases come into play and they tend to see what they want...especially when it comes to their favorite horses.


Certainly, amongst a narrow group of 3yos, this has been the case...when he's had the run of the race. Again, when he didn't have the run of the race (i.e., a perfect trip) he was nowhere near invincible or dominating.


The Derby was much better than the Preakness. At least in Kentucky, despite coming back down to earth, he showed some mettle when neither Firing Line nor Dortmund packed it in when he came to them. At Pimlico, he did exactly what you purport, that he simply runs horses off their feet...only he went so fast for the first 3/4s that he exhausted himself, as plain as day if you simply look at his come-home time in that race. Perhaps if a strong finisher was in there, you know, besides Tale of Verve, there might have been a different outcome. Too bad today's horsemen don't remember the plethora of Derby also-rans in the '80s and '90s that came back and reversed form at Pimlico.


Is your implication that American Pharoah was merely "prepping" for the Belmont in the Derby and Preakness?

Ridiculous.


This logic is silly that somehow American Pharoah can simply go fast early, keep going fast, go faster if challenged, and faster still for an indefinite distance. He proved in the Preakness that going fast early blunts his finishing power. He proved in the Derby that if hooked by a quality rival he is unable to simply "run away" from them. Certainly, if there was something else in the Belmont of the quality of a Rock Hard Ten or an Eddington that could have put pressure on American Pharoah in the middle of the race, we might have seen Frosted emulate Birdstone.

I like the allusion to Fusaichi Pegasus. If ever there was a horse that looked like he could simply do anything and "toy with rivals" and keep going indefinitely, getting stronger with each furlong, it was that horse.

And yet, as it turned out, as his race record suggests, he was nothing of the sort.


But not as impressive as Kentuckian if you extrapolate another 3 furlongs to that one's 7f performances.

Are you a lawyer, or a politician?

You seem like one.

And I mean that with the utmost sincerity and lack of complimentary meaning.

Talk about ridiculous.

I guess everything I say is always wrong if you want to spin things into your universe of absurdities.

By the way, did American Pharoah win the Triple Crown? I'm pretty sure if I make a case that he did, you'd find a way to twist my words and prove that he didn't.

What happened to you?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Are you a lawyer, or a politician?

You seem like one.

No. Why? You don't like being challenged on the things you post on here?

And I mean that with the utmost sincerity and lack of complimentary meaning.

On the contrary, I took it that you mean that with all uncomplimentary meaning.

Talk about ridiculous.

That's what we've been doing for the past 5 weeks.

I guess everything I say is always wrong if you want to spin things into your universe of absurdities.

My universe of absurdities is known as reality.

By the way, did American Pharoah win the Triple Crown? I'm pretty sure if I make a case that he did, you'd find a way to twist my words and prove that he didn't.

He did win the Triple Crown. That does not mean that your analysis of his performances in those races was ever correct or substantiated by concrete evidence or reasoning.

What happened to you?

I didn't drink the Monster-spiked Kool Aid.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I'm pretty sure if I make a case that he did, you'd find a way to twist my words and prove that he didn't.

I've been meaning to ask you if there was some kind of announcement a while back - something about a game whereby the objective was to take YOUR words, twist them up and spin them around, spit them out again - only I missed the invite cause there has been quite a bit of this lately but really only with you.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I've been meaning to ask you if there was some kind of announcement a while back -something about a game whereby the objective was to take YOUR words, twist them up and spin them around, spit them out again

What? What do you mean game? What, you mean like a...DISCUSSION?!!!

You're right. What a silly game. I move that we abolish the "Reply" and "Quote" buttons on this board from here on forward.

No more shall we be threatened by an actual rebuttal to our words. No more shall we live in fear of the presentation of facts and dare I say: other people's opinions!

Let this board become a board of nothing but yellow Post-It sticky notes.

All those in favor, please...do not respond.

- only I missed the invite cause there has been quite a bit of this lately but really only with you.

Feeling left out, huh? That's what happens when there's no interaction amongst members on this board.

Nevertheless, you may consider this your very own personal yellow sticky note.

But please, keep it quiet. I won't tell if you won't.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I've been meaning to ask you if there was some kind of announcement a while back - something about a game whereby the objective was to take YOUR words, twist them up and spin them around, spit them out again - only I missed the invite cause there has been quite a bit of this lately but really only with you.

Hey, if its ic's turn, the rest of us are getting left alone.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I've been meaning to ask you if there was some kind of announcement a while back - something about a game whereby the objective was to take YOUR words, twist them up and spin them around, spit them out again - only I missed the invite cause there has been quite a bit of this lately but really only with you.

It's looks like you've been included now.

Congratulations. Of course, it's a nice touch mocking others while feigning innocence, then putting the blame elsewhere.

It's a wonder to behold, this sort of irrational unraveling.

What would be cool is to have everyone reread these threads in two years.

[Arletta]

Victor's reaction after the race

https://www.facebook.com/belmont.stakes?fref=nf