I want to meet the person that would pay this

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He fits in NY if the cheaper guys are willing to give him a shot. Not much speed in the pedigree but he was a pretty good horse and may be an ok turf sire too. If I had a mare that fit him bloodlines-wise that has some tactical speed I may consider him.

I should have added that the above is if I was breeding to race. Commercially he may not be very attractive

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I should have added that the above is if I was breeding to race. Commercially he may not be very attractive

Isn't a commercial "true" NY bred an oxymoron?

I never thought about TMW being a possible turf sire as well, thanks!

[Linny]

Actually some of the Freuds have sold well.

Re: Fu Peg being tenacious:
I tend not to think him as gutsy. When looked in the eye, he folded. When he outclassed his rivals he won in a romp but showed no will to win in the Preakness or the BCC. IMO, he was very overrated.
Giant's Causeway OTOH, was as game as they come. His babies are a bit "flighty" and not easy to train but they have gotten GC's heart.

I personally never saw a horse more overrated than FuPeg, never.
I didn't understand it at the time and I don't know how anyone ever thought of him as some superhorse.
If you watch his Derby, he only won because of an incredibly lucky break and one of the worst rides Solis ever gave.
I was there that day and the rail was as golden as they come. Aptitude was following Fupeg and they were both in behind horses. Solis panicked on the turn and vacated the rail and swung wide in attempt to pass horses. FuPeg slid through a hole that immediately opened up and he was able to slide through it(already in gear from moving up to get the slot that was vacated) with no hesitation and ended up winning by less than the margin of ground that Aptitude lost by in going wide and losing the great rail.
If any of you ever get a chance to see this replay you will see it. He was worked on every step of the lane by the jock and basically was full bore against a moderate field and won with a perfect trip that couldnt have been scripted any better.
Good horse, yes, very good I suppose. But he was yet another media creation that was nowhere NEAR as talented as we was proclaimed to be. Here is an excerpt from the chart call of that Derby.

FUSAICHI PEGASUS broke to the inside, saved ground along the backstretch, swung out approaching the quarter pole and edged clear under vigorous hand urging. APTITUDE was with the winner along the backstretch, eased outside FUSAICHI PEGASUS nearing the final sixteenth and finished determinedly but wasn?t good enough.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I personally never saw a horse more overrated than FuPeg, never.
I didn't understand it at the time and I don't know how anyone ever thought of him as some superhorse.
If you watch his Derby, he only won because of an incredibly lucky break and one of the worst rides Solis ever gave.
I was there that day and the rail was as golden as they come. FuPeg was following Aptitude and they were both in behind horses. Solis panicked on the turn and vacated the rail and swung wide in attempt to pass horses. FuPeg slid up into the place he had vacated and immediately upon doing so the hole opened right up and he was able to slide through it(already in gear from moving up to get the slot that was vacated) with no hesitation and ended up winning by less than the margin of ground that Aptitude lost by in going wide and losing the great rail.
If any of you ever get a chance to see this replay you will see it. He was worked on every step of the lane by the jock and basically was full bore against a moderate field and won with a perfect trip that couldnt have been scripted any better.
Good horse, yes, very good I suppose. But he was yet another media creation that was nowhere NEAR as talented as we was proclaimed to be.

Agreed. He was a good looking (but unsound) sucker too... one of the prettiest heads on a thoroughbred that I've ever seen. (Not like that matters.)

[sumitas]

I've wondered why mares bred to out of state stallions and foaled in NY are considered NY breds. It seems there should be a much greater incentive to foals conceived and foaled in NY.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I personally never saw a horse more overrated than FuPeg, never.
I didn't understand it at the time and I don't know how anyone ever thought of him as some superhorse.
If you watch his Derby, he only won because of an incredibly lucky break and one of the worst rides Solis ever gave.
I was there that day and the rail was as golden as they come. Aptitude was following Fupeg and they were both in behind horses. Solis panicked on the turn and vacated the rail and swung wide in attempt to pass horses. FuPeg slid through a hole that immediately opened up and he was able to slide through it(already in gear from moving up to get the slot that was vacated) with no hesitation and ended up winning by less than the margin of ground that Aptitude lost by in going wide and losing the great rail.
If any of you ever get a chance to see this replay you will see it. He was worked on every step of the lane by the jock and basically was full bore against a moderate field and won with a perfect trip that couldnt have been scripted any better.
Good horse, yes, very good I suppose. But he was yet another media creation that was nowhere NEAR as talented as we was proclaimed to be. Here is an excerpt from the chart call of that Derby.

FUSAICHI PEGASUS broke to the inside, saved ground along the backstretch, swung out approaching the quarter pole and edged clear under vigorous hand urging. APTITUDE was with the winner along the backstretch, eased outside FUSAICHI PEGASUS nearing the final sixteenth and finished determinedly but wasn?t good enough.

Solis, especially now, wants nothing to do with the rail, he has the Albarado disease....

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=oracle80]I personally never saw a horse more overrated than FuPeg, never.
QUOTE]
Tapit?

[quote=Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I personally never saw a horse more overrated than FuPeg, never.
QUOTE]
Tapit?

Noone really thoughthe could run besides Watchmaker did they?
I always referred to his Wood as the "dead Wood".

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=oracle80]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Noone really thoughthe could run besides Watchmaker did they?
I always referred to his Wood as the "dead Wood".

Suprisingly there were a lot of people who liked this horse. Go back and you'll see that a lot of "experts" picked this horse to win the Derby.

[philcski]

[quote=oracle80]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Noone really thoughthe could run besides Watchmaker did they?
I always referred to his Wood as the "dead Wood".

Haha that's funny, that's what i called it too. A horrible edition of the Wood, through and through- only one runner from that race ever won anything of significance after that (Eddington) and only one other runner won a G3 (Swingforthefences.) Value Plus went off as the 5/2 favorite and you, me, and the popcorn girl knew he needed a cart to go 9F by then... hell i think i bet LittleMathMan or some crazy bomb like that!
Got a 109 on my figures which is about an 89 Beyer (the official number was a 98 if i recall correctly.) Normally the Wood winner will be in the 118 range on my figs.