I want to meet the person that would pay this

[largo1]

Agree with eurobounce. I wouldn't pay 12,500 either, but I don't think the price is *all* that ridiculous, based on the current ridiculous market. His pedigree isn't bad at all. Had 24 starts, most of them graded stakes. Did he retire sound? I don't remember hearing about any soundness issues with him.(I really don't remember) At least he showed up to most of the big dances. Wasn't ever the best dancer, but he was consistent. (sure, mostly consistently, uh.....slow, but he did grab some paychecks here and there)

Give him a break, you guys!
Suzanne

Originally Posted by largo1

Agree with eurobounce. I wouldn't pay 12,500 either, but I don't think the price is *all* that ridiculous, based on the current ridiculous market. His pedigree isn't bad at all. Had 24 starts, most of them graded stakes. Did he retire sound? I don't remember hearing about any soundness issues with him.(I really don't remember) At least he showed up to most of the big dances. Wasn't ever the best dancer, but he was consistent. (sure, mostly consistently, uh.....slow, but he did grab some paychecks here and there)

Give him a break, you guys!
Suzanne

Suzanne give him a break about what?
He had no speed, and 12,500 is still one hell of a lot of money.
He's the kinda horse who may have done well in a niche market, not in Ky at 12,500.
He'll end up in a niche market at 3500 or 5000 in a few years, but only after hes wasted 2-3 years languishing at a ridiculous price in KY.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by oracle80

He's the kinda horse who may have done well in a niche market, not in Ky at 12,500.
He'll end up in a niche market at 3500 or 5000 in a few years, but only after hes wasted 2-3 years languishing at a ridiculous price in KY.

agree with this completely...if they start him @ 7,500 he might do OK but he's gonna stand around and get fat @ 12,500...should have sent him to a regional market where he can be a big fish....cause like you said he's bound to end up there sooner or later anyway.

Originally Posted by paisjpq

agree with this completely...if they start him @ 7,500 he might do OK but he's gonna stand around and get fat @ 12,500...should have sent him to a regional market where he can be a big fish....cause like you said he's bound to end up there sooner or later anyway.

The NY breeding market has so much potential but the same folks have been "running it" for years and its a shame.
Ny needs one of the players with REAL money from Kentucky to set up a satellite breeding operation in NY. There is plenty of farmland available in NY, and the breeding program is great. If one of the Kentucky operations were to set up a satellite program in NY, they could shuffle up some stallions who arent quite making it the way they expected them to, but that they don't want to sell and give up on.
Noone involved in the NY breeding program up here seems to understand this. They just hired a new guy(whose main qualification appears to be that his Dad was a big player, Dragone) and before that Dennis Brida ran the thing(LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I'm the cult of personality).

I mean, how difficult could it be to approach one of the major players down there, and ask them about interest in setting up a satellite farm up here?
They don't wanna do that because there are only 2-3 players up here and they don't wanna disrupt their little monopoly.

I think we might be a little surprised by the off-spring of AH - assuming his gets some half way decent mares to breed to. But we won't know the effects of this until his babies start going to auction or if his book doesnt fill. I think it will be a good 3-5 years before it can be determined if $12,500 is a good rate.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by oracle80

The NY breeding market has so much potential but the same folks have been "running it" for years and its a shame.
Ny needs one of the players with REAL money from Kentucky to set up a satellite breeding operation in NY. There is plenty of farmland available in NY, and the breeding program is great. If one of the Kentucky operations were to set up a satellite program in NY, they could shuffle up some stallions who arent quite making it the way they expected them to, but that they don't want to sell and give up on.
Noone involved in the NY breeding program up here seems to understand this. They just hired a new guy(whose main qualification appears to be that his Dad was a big player, Dragone) and before that Dennis Brida ran the thing(LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I'm the cult of personality).

I mean, how difficult could it be to approach one of the major players down there, and ask them about interest in setting up a satellite farm up here?
They don't wanna do that because there are only 2-3 players up here and they don't wanna disrupt their little monopoly.

The biggest problem that I have with the NY bred program is that the ny breeders have given no incentive for anyone to bring in better sires. By loosening up the breed back requirements they have made it possible for the big KY farms to breed mares to their stallions and drop the foals in NY and have them be full fledged NY breds. The bigger KY farms use this as a marketing tool as their horses are almost always the sale toppers at the NY bred sale and it makes less desirable horses as KY breds more desirable as NY breds because they are eligible for the easy money and they look much better when compared to most of the NY stallions. Hence there is no real incentive for a guy with a good mare that wants a NY bred to breed to a NY stallion. Also the gap between the normal NY breeder and the upper level NY breeder is widening. Most people breeding NY breds are on a limited budget, have so-so mares and are looking for a relatively cheap stallion. The upper level NY breeder is breeding his mares to AP Indy, Giants Causeway, etc. There is no middle market where a $15000 sire could thrive. Not that AH should be a $15000 sire, I would think that at $5000 in NY he could be bred to a much larger book than he will get where he is at.But look what that farm has done for Richter Scale!!!

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The biggest problem that I have with the NY bred program is that the ny breeders have given no incentive for anyone to bring in better sires. By loosening up the breed back requirements they have made it possible for the big KY farms to breed mares to their stallions and drop the foals in NY and have them be full fledged NY breds. The bigger KY farms use this as a marketing tool as their horses are almost always the sale toppers at the NY bred sale and it makes less desirable horses as KY breds more desirable as NY breds because they are eligible for the easy money and they look much better when compared to most of the NY stallions. Hence there is no real incentive for a guy with a good mare that wants a NY bred to breed to a NY stallion. Also the gap between the normal NY breeder and the upper level NY breeder is widening. Most people breeding NY breds are on a limited budget, have so-so mares and are looking for a relatively cheap stallion. The upper level NY breeder is breeding his mares to AP Indy, Giants Causeway, etc. There is no middle market where a $15000 sire could thrive. Not that AH should be a $15000 sire, I would think that at $5000 in NY he could be bred to a much larger book than he will get where he is at.But look what that farm has done for Richter Scale!!!

How do you feel about Ten Most Wanted?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

How do you feel about Ten Most Wanted?

He fits in NY if the cheaper guys are willing to give him a shot. Not much speed in the pedigree but he was a pretty good horse and may be an ok turf sire too. If I had a mare that fit him bloodlines-wise that has some tactical speed I may consider him.