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02-18-2015, 03:50 PM
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SOUND PROPOSITION
gelding, Savabeel-Ebony Babe Trainer: Lance O'Sullivan & Andrew Scott (O'Sullivan won the Derby as a jockey aboard Surfers Paradise in 1990 and Popsy in 1993, Scott won the Derby as co-trainer of Cut The Cake in 2003 and Xcellent in 2004) Jockey: Danielle Johnson (no Derby wins) 5 starts 2 wins 0 seconds 1 third NZ$30,400 6th Gr. 2 Avondale Guineas I like the way this horse has improved as he has stepped up over distance. He was 5th in a sprint on debut, then 3rd, then stepped up to a mile and won two in a row VERY nicely. In his second win he easily beat Arrow In The Sand, who was stakes placed next time out. Sound Proposition was only 6th in the Avondale Guineas, but he got a long way back with a slow pace and he was running nicely at the end. I think going further in the Derby and with a hot speed on in front will help his chances. Current odds: 12 My ranking: 5th 
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#3
02-19-2015, 10:28 AM
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He obviously knows how to win on this horse. So ed are you saving the best (Giant Turtle) for last?  Kidding! (... and thanks - checked out Arrow in the Sand's last race... nice girl!). Quote:
edit - Happy that Craig Grylls has a Derby mount. Not sure if he belongs in the Derby field or not BUT hat was an awesome ride by Matthew Cameron on Gifted Lad last time! Last edited by my miss storm cat : 02-19-2015 at 11:43 AM.
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02-19-2015, 06:31 PM
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GAULTIER gelding, Rios-Playacting Trainer: Danica Guy (no Derby wins) Jockey: Michael Coleman (Cut The Cake 2003, Xcellent 2004) 7 starts 1 win 0 seconds 1 third NZ$142,725 1st Gr. 1 Levin Classic 11th Gr. 2 Waikato Guineas 8th Gr. 2 Avondale Guineas Depending on whether Platinum Witness runs in the Derby or the Oaks, Gaultier could be the only G1 winner going into this year's Derby. And his Levin Classic victory was amazing, flying down the outside from last to first. But he's been really disappointing since then. The Waikato and Avondale Guineas were both quite slowly run races, which doesn't suit his style, but I still expected him to do more in the stretch in both races. I don't know about his Derby chances. But Michael Coleman had the choice between Gaultier and Sound Proposition, and the fact that he's chosen Gaultier has to count for something. Current odds: 30 My ranking: Not currently in the top 10.
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02-19-2015, 07:08 PM
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02-20-2015, 03:54 PM
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My top 5 in no order...
Giant Turtle Sound Proposition Kolonel Kev Mongolian Khan Volkstok'n'barrell Would replace the good Kolonel with Platinum Witness IF she goes to the Derby (?). 
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02-20-2015, 08:35 PM
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Too bad about O'Marilyn. Surprising!
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02-23-2015, 07:56 PM
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CHENILLE
filly, Pentire-Charmed Trainer: Tony Pike (no Derby wins) Jockey: Rory Hutchings (no Derby wins) 7 starts 2 wins 3 seconds 0 thirds NZ$25,525 No stakes races This filly is a half-sister to the G2 winner and G1 placed Chintz. Chenille started slowly in her own career but has been spectacular in winning her last two races by 3.3 lengths and 3.5 lengths. She is getting better and better as she stretches out over longer distances and I think she could be a dangerous longshot in the Derby. Current odds: 12 My ranking: She wasn't on the radar when I last did the list, but I would find room for her now! I'll put her 6th. New list: 1. Volkstok'n'barrell 2. Mongolian Khan 3. Vavasour 4. McQueen 5. Sound Proposition 6. Chenille 7. Prima 8. Midnitemagicman 9. Giant Turtle 10. Dee I Cee
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02-23-2015, 11:27 PM
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MIDNITEMAGICMAN
gelding, Tavistock-Keep Alight Trainer: Donna & Dean Logan (Habibi 2013) Jockey: Vinnie Colgan (Roysyn 1995, Zonda 1997, Hades 1999, Redoute's Dancer 2007, Habibi 2013 - all-time record) 8 starts 1 win 2 seconds 3 thirds NZ$50,775 2nd Foal Stakes 2nd Trevor Eagle Memorial 3rd Jesters Pies Salver 4th Gr. 2 Avondale Guineas He took a while to win one, but this guy never runs a bad race and I'm sure he'll make his team proud again on Derby day. The Logan team have Volkstok'n'barrell as their man Derby runner but Midnitemagicman is better than just a backup. Current odds: 18 My ranking: 8th Last edited by _ed_ : 02-23-2015 at 11:58 PM.
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02-24-2015, 12:01 AM
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PRIMA
gelding, Sir Percy-Azabella Trainer: Doug Cave (no Derby wins) Jockey: Mark du Plessis (no Derby wins) 4 starts 0 wins 1 second 1 third NZ$29,850 2nd Gr. 2 Avondale Guineas 3rd Gr. 2 Waikato Guineas Still a maiden, but he's come from nowhere to become a major Derby player. He was third in the Waikato Guineas at 130-1 and second in the Avondale Guineas at 54-1. He is the real deal and has to be respected again in the big one! Current odds: 18 My ranking: 7th
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#12
02-24-2015, 03:13 PM
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MARGIN TRADER
gelding, Tavistock-Power And Might Trainer: Michael Moroney & Chad Ormsby (Moroney: Great Command 1996, Cut The Cake 2003 and Xcellent 2004; Ormsby no Derby wins but second as a jockey aboard Historian in 2011) Jockey: Rhys McLeod (AUS) (no Derby wins) 5 starts 1 win 1 second 0 thirds NZ$22,976 5th Gr. 2 Great Northern Guineas 5th Gr. 2 Waikato Guineas 9th Gr. 2 Avondale Guineas This could be a dangerous longshot. I loved the late finish he showed in his first few starts, and it looks like the distance will be no problem for him at all. He got no luck at all in the Avondale Guineas, stuck wide all the way and he was too far back with that slow pace. A few people (myself included) might have forgotten about him a little bit... Current odds: 31 My ranking: not in the top 10
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#13
02-24-2015, 03:29 PM
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DEE I CEE
gelding, Istidaad-Smashed All Night Trainer: Kevin Myers (C'est La Guerre 2008) Jockey: not confirmed 4 starts 2 wins 2 seconds 0 thirds NZ$11,750 No stakes races It's hard to know what to expect from this gelding, a half-brother to the Telegraph runner-up Designated Driver. He hasn't faced stakes opposition yet, but he's looked strong in weaker grades. There's only one way to find out for sure how good he is, and that's in the Derby on Saturday. Current odds: 18 My ranking: 10th
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02-25-2015, 09:42 PM
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Thanks for the info!
I was wondering if the draw has had any kind of effect of your list (?) OR if your list has since changed at all. By the way, liked your Tavistock article. Quote:
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#16
02-26-2015, 09:30 AM
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Ouch! Poor girl.
http://www.thoroughbrednews.com.au/a....aspx?id=78870 Enjoyed your Bonecrusher piece immensely.  Good Lord it is impossible to find a pic of Giant Turtle! Ah well, maybe after the Derby it'll be easier... 
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#17
02-26-2015, 05:37 PM
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Oh, poor Silent Achiever. Hope she'll be okay.
Good question about the draw affecting the list! But I don't think I'll make any changes based on that - it's quite a long run to the first turn and most horses are able to find a good spot by then.
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#18
02-27-2015, 09:57 AM
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Happy Derby Day!
Will post my plays when I have finalized them but for now am thinking might just put Mongolian Khan in the top spot and use Giant Turtle, Sound Proposition, VSB of course and the fillies underneath but oh plenty of time left to ponder. Anyway thank YOU for making it so much fun and for all your great insight and everything. Yay... it's here!!! edit - Man I just watched a couple of Vavasour's replays...kinda back to square 1 now. Last edited by my miss storm cat : 02-27-2015 at 10:28 AM.
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#19
02-27-2015, 04:49 PM
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Who wins, ed?
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02-27-2015, 05:11 PM
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So excited that Derby day has finally arrived. I'm here at the track now, and it's looking absolutely beautiful. I'm sticking with VSB, I believe he's the best horse in the race. But if one of the others turn out to be even better than him today, I'll be happy to see that too.
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