How Is Obamacare Working Out for You?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

To clarify, Obama kept announcing that if you liked your policy, you could keep it. He kept announcing that even though he knew it wasn't true. He knew that millions of people were going to get cancellation notices.

To clarify about being grandfathered, "The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example — THE POLICY WOULD NOT BE GRANDFATHERED."

sorry. you're blaming the wrong people.
i guess back in the day, you'd have been complaining when seat belts got forced into autos.
he didn't make them get rid of those policies, they opted to do so. so, i guess he should have said if you like your plan you can keep it as long as your health care co will keep it on the books.
it was anthems call, not obamas

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

sorry. you're blaming the wrong people.
i guess back in the day, you'd have been complaining when seat belts got forced into autos.
he didn't make them get rid of those policies, they opted to do so. so, i guess he should have said if you like your plan you can keep it as long as your health care co will keep it on the books.
it was anthems call, not obamas

First of all, that is not true. The Department of Health and Human Services made it so that if any significant part of an insurance policy was changed, even if it was just the deductible or co-pay, the policy would not be grandfathered. So right there we know millions of policies won't be grandfathered.

You are right that Obama should have said that there is a very good chance you will not be able to keep your plan because those plans will be cancelled. As the NBC investigation found, the Obama Administration knew that millions of people's policies would be cancelled, yet he kept saying in his speeches that you will be able to keep your policy.

I don't know what we're arguing about. Obama got "Lie of the Year" from Politifact over this. And NBC News did a big story about how Obama intentionally lied. Did you read the article? Maybe you missed this part:

"Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”

"That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them."

"Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.” "

"Robert Laszewski, a consultant with Health Policy and Strategy Associates, told NBC News that the administration repeatedly made a promise that officials knew couldn’t be honored."

[Danzig]

no, you're right. health care was all just fine til obama came along and lied, and made those sweet, angelic health insurers change their oh so wonderful plans that covered everything.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, you're right. health care was all just fine til obama came along and lied, and made those sweet, angelic health insurers change their oh so wonderful plans that covered everything.

Yes being taxed an extra 1% of my income so useless eaters can have subsidized coverage is great and fair.

Hail Obama and Arkansas democrats acting as independents.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Pants II

Hail Obama and Arkansas democrats acting as independents.

And the Cuban Health Care system!!!

Finally, with the lifting of the travel embargo, some Americans might have access.

F#$k the Mayo and Cleveland Clinics.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

And the Cuban Health Care system!!!

Finally, with the lifting of the travel embargo, some Americans might have access.

F#$k the Mayo and Cleveland Clinics.

Oh but you can switch to a plan that covers all doctors! Or something. It's not Obama's fault. Reading is hard for some and he's got bigger things to worry about like domestic violence awareness.

We're just racists. Bush did it. Since gas is cheap we need more road tax to cover the potholes that were supposed to be covered under a previous budget.

Or something.

Just take it! Racist!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, you're right. health care was all just fine til obama came along and lied, and made those sweet, angelic health insurers change their oh so wonderful plans that covered everything.

I never said that. I specifically said the opposite. I said the system was far from perfect and needed reform. As I said before, I thought it was practically criminal the way Anthem kept raising my premium by around 15-20% a year. I was in favor of reform. But that doesn't mean I have to endorse Obamcare or the way he lied about it to get it passed.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I never said that. I specifically said the opposite. I said the system was far from perfect and needed reform. As I said before, I thought it was practically criminal the way Anthem kept raising my premium by around 15-20% a year. I was in favor of reform. But that doesn't mean I have to endorse Obamcare or the way he lied about it to get it passed.

i don't think he lied about it to get it passed...everyone either knew, or should have known, what was in the bill that they voted for.
i figure at some point single payer will be passed-it will have to be.
obamacare is a convoluted mess that the health insurance companies had a huge hand in writing...and i think it's disingenuous of the republicans to still go on and on about it, considering that a lot of what's in there was originally their idea.
the law is pretty much a failure at this point, since half the states voted not to expand medicaid, which means a lot of people aren't benefitting from it at all.
i get why they did what they did-i guess they figured it was better than nothing being done. it's helped a lot of people, but there are still hundreds of thousands of folks no better off than before.