Five New Grade I Races in 2007; Two Others Drop to Grade II

Originally Posted by oracle80

In the last 5 runnings, 3 horses who hit the board in the Blue Grass haev gone on to win grade ones. Peace Rules, Offlee Wild, and Harlans Holiday.

In the last 5 runnnings of the ARk Derby, off the top of my head I can list Flower Alley, Purge, Smarty Jones, and Aflet Alex.
I'll check and see if there were anymore.

Can you read Euro?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Can you read Euro?

Apparently not. Can you maybe add voice to this board so I can hear recorded comments?

[Danzig]

at least the rebel got graded status in '06. but yes, absolutely the ark derby should be a gr 1. has the same purse as the fla derby. matter of fact, aren't they the only two to have this size purse?
i said on another thread that the bluegrass should not be a gr 1 while the ark is a gr 2.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

at least the rebel got graded status in '06. but yes, absolutely the ark derby should be a gr 1. has the same purse as the fla derby. matter of fact, aren't they the only two to have this size purse?
i said on another thread that the bluegrass should not be a gr 1 while the ark is a gr 2.

Well I don't think you can compare the Bluegrass to the Arkansas Derby when it comes to a historical perspective. I don't think you can say....well this race is a Grade I, therefor we need to make this race a Grade I. I think you need to look at each race independently. But there is no doubt that the Arkansas Derby should be a Grade I.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Apparently not. Can you maybe add voice to this board so I can hear recorded comments?

LMFAO!!!

What I also don't like is that we don't have a Grade I turf sprint. I think this is about the only type of race missing from the Grade I list.

[slotdirt]

The fact that the Virginia Derby and Arkansas Derby are still GII races is a joke. At least the Colonial Turf Cup finally reached graded status this year. How many GIII races out there feature half a mill in purse cash?

Originally Posted by slotdirt

The fact that the Virginia Derby and Arkansas Derby are still GII races is a joke. At least the Colonial Turf Cup finally reached graded status this year. How many GIII races out there feature half a mill in purse cash?

Slot, a race has to be run for at least a certain number of continuous years before attaining graded status. I think its three but I am not sure.
The Colonial races will attain status once they hit the required years.
Believe it or not the Miesque and the Generous had the same thing happen when they first started out in Hollywood. Even though they drew great fields and hads lot of purse money, they had to pass the time threshold.
Same thing with the Delta race that was just made grade three this year.
In these cases the track or circuit is not being penalized, its that the race has to attain the criteria in number of consecutive years run in order to obtain graded status.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Slot, a race has to be run for at least a certain number of continuous years before attaining graded status. I think its three but I am not sure.
The Colonial races will attain status once they hit the required years.
Believe it or not the Miesque and the Generous had the same thing happen when they first started out in Hollywood. Even though they drew great fields and hads lot of purse money, they had to pass the time threshold.
Same thing with the Delta race that was just made grade three this year.
In these cases the track or circuit is not being penalized, its that the race has to attain the criteria in number of consecutive years run in order to obtain graded status.

I believe that the race has to be run for 2 years under the same conditions.

[JJP]

The Prioress has been the worst grade 1 in North America the past three years and never gets downgraded. Somebody in NY must have pictures on somebody.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by JJP

The Prioress has been the worst grade 1 in North America the past three years and never gets downgraded. Somebody in NY must have pictures on somebody.

Actually that's highly debatable. While I think it's status should be lowered, it was a highly entertaining race this year, and one of the better betting opportunities in a Grade 1 this year. However, that isn't a reason to keep it a Grade 1, and even though it is the ONLY Grade 1 at 6F restricted to 3YO fillies in America, it still should be downgraded. I just don't believe that group deserves a Grade 1 ranking. But, if you do, then the Prioress is the correct race.

[Linny]

Any given running of a race can be bad, relative to it's general class. A bad (relatively) horse can win a good race and get G1 status. Broker's Tip won one race in his life, the Kentucky Derby. He was a bad horse who won a race that we today call G1.
The graded stake committee is supposed to look past one poor running of any race and use a multi year sample. That's why I cannot understand the change in the Clark. Last year's running was important enough for it to get G1 this year, but now it's downgraded. Were they just bummed that Magna Graduate didn't train on? It makes no sense. I think that one a grade is assigned, they should let it stand for at least 2 years to let trainers work it into their schedules.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually that's highly debatable. While I think it's status should be lowered, it was a highly entertaining race this year, and one of the better betting opportunities in a Grade 1 this year. However, that isn't a reason to keep it a Grade 1, and even though it is the ONLY Grade 1 at 6F restricted to 3YO fillies in America, it still should be downgraded. I just don't believe that group deserves a Grade 1 ranking. But, if you do, then the Prioress is the correct race.

I NEVER forget when Roussel send his filly, In Secure, to the Prioress. F'n Chavez tried timing the rail opening up and almost got thrown into the infield because she was moving so fast. She was 13/1 that day, it was my first time I had ever put 200WP on a horse over 6/1.......I never got a bigger rush in my life for losing $400. I am still not sure if she would have beaten House Party that day, but with the trip she was getting, if she would have gotten through, the rush would have even been greater

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by merasmag

this thread is now just pitiful-censor me, erase me, u look like guys arguing about dungeons and dragons

I vote erase.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by merasmag

where is kentessa when u need him??? maybe u and cannon shell can go recount votes for santorum

Maybe you can move to North Korea