Bourbon Courage

[PatCummings]

Bourbon Courage ran his final 1/4 in 23.52 and final 1/8 in 11.69s, times which were 1.33 and 1.18 seconds faster than the splits of Work ALl Week. The comparable times for others in the top ten of the Sprint are listed in the blog attached.

http://www.americasbestracing.net/en...up-data-recap/

[RockHardTen1985]

Another problem with this horse is they wasted a lot of time running him in races he really should not have been in. He could have been a 1 turn beast. Maybe its not to late, we will see.

[Jasper131]

From a pace figure standpoint, if you put Bourbon Courage next to Baaken, that still would have been the highest pace figure that he'd run since his debut which was 19 races (mostly routes) and 33 months ago. Plus you'd have to use him to get there.

On the DRF Moss scale, Fast Anna went 98-99 for the first two fractions and Baaken, who was 4 lengths off the lead, went 87-92. That's just way faster than Bourbon Courage is used to.

[Kitan]

I rarely use Trakus and don't use DRF Moss figures, so I can't speak to that.

[Calzone Lord]

Bobby's Kitten and Bourbon Courage were two great examples of horses who had their trainers impose their will on them to get them to go further than they wanted to go, and further than they were bred to go on the bottom of their pedigree.

I wish Bourbon Courage had an extra half furlong to work with, he would have made my Breeders' Cup for me. Bobby's Kitten just saved me from a rough weekend.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Bobby's Kitten and Bourbon Courage were two great examples of horses who had their trainers impose their will on them to get them to go further than they wanted to go, and further than they were bred to go on the bottom of their pedigree.

I wish Bourbon Courage had an extra half furlong to work with, he would have made my Breeders' Cup for me. Bobby's Kitten just saved me from a rough weekend.

Excuse me? You are putting Bobby's Kitten and Bourbon Courage in the same category? Really? This is not your best work.

Let's make some quick comparisons....Bourbon Courage could have run in lucrative Grade 1s and Grade 2s from 6F to one mile, many that featured less than stellar fields. Bobby's Kitten could have run where exactly for what money exactly....a bunch of 5F and 5 1/2 furlong races, with mostly paltry purses, where the winner's share didn't even equal third in the Woodbine Mile, a race where one could easily argue he ran a winning race? Bobby's Kitten did win the $400K Penn Mile. Was that a bad choice and he should have opted for the 6F $300K Jaipur against older?

Don't get mad, I still love you, and think you're brilliant, but this was a horrendous comparison on your part.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Excuse me? You are putting Bobby's Kitten and Bourbon Courage in the same category? Really? This is not your best work.

Let's make some quick comparisons....Bourbon Courage could have run in lucrative Grade 1s and Grade 2s from 6F to one mile, many that featured less than stellar fields. Bobby's Kitten could have run where exactly for what money exactly....a bunch of 5F and 5 1/2 furlong races, with mostly paltry purses, where the winner's share didn't even equal third in the Woodbine Mile, a race where one could easily argue he ran a winning race? Bobby's Kitten did win the $400K Penn Mile. Was that a bad choice and he should have opted for the 6F $300K Jaipur against older?

Don't get mad, I still love you, and think you're brilliant, but this was a horrendous comparison on your part.

You're talking strictly about how they were managed. I'm not as big of a 'cut-back angle' guy as you...but both of them fit the 2 things I look for most in that angle. A horse who doesn't want to stretch out, and/or isn't bred to stretch out, but does so for reasons including chasing more lucrative opportunities.


Of course there are few, less attractive, options for turf horses between 6f-to-8f

However, Bobby's Kitten not only started in races like the Blue Grass at 9f and the Belmont Derby at 10f, but he was restrained off of the early pace in both races. If he was ever going to get those distances, he was going to have to get them on a loose lead. Not being strangled off the pace by a jockey.

The horse was entered in spots where you need to enter a 3yo Kitten's Joy colt of his ability...however, Chad Brown certainly imposed his will on that horse, especially in an effort to get him to relax.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Bobby's Kitten and Bourbon Courage were two great examples of horses who had their trainers impose their will on them to get them to go further than they wanted to go, and further than they were bred to go on the bottom of their pedigree.

I wish Bourbon Courage had an extra half furlong to work with, he would have made my Breeders' Cup for me. Bobby's Kitten just saved me from a rough weekend.

I suppose one could make a case that Bobby's Kitten isn't bred for distance underneath, but I'll make one that says he can.

His second dam is a half sister to Paradise Creek and his third dam is a half sister to Theatrical. Both had no issues getting distances.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

His second dam is a half sister to Paradise Creek and his third dam is a half sister to Theatrical. Both had no issues getting distances.

His dam was a Forestry sprinter. His full brother also won his only stakes race going 5.5 furlongs on the Turf.