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11-09-2006, 11:15 AM
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Street Sense Number
Thorograph has their numbers posted for the entire card on Saturday. I encourage you to take a look at it.
One number jumped out. A Negative 2 by Street Sense in the juvenile even while being checked on the turn in the race. I will go on record as saying this horse will not run a negative number in his entire 3 yr old year and very likely not again in his career. I am no fan of numbers like that this early. Mind you also that front wraps were added for this start as well. The ultimate squeeze the lemon scenario and I think he is finished. He is a bet against from here on out. 
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11-09-2006, 11:17 AM
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What number did Bernardini get ( while failing to show up at all....of course )?
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11-09-2006, 11:18 AM
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11-09-2006, 11:19 AM
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God, can you imagine if he had run his race????? Could have been a negative 12!
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11-09-2006, 11:21 AM
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Incidently Andy, its the same number he was given in the Gold Cup. But boy do they look different when you are facing Wanderin Boy and then Invasor.
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11-09-2006, 11:22 AM
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Congrats to Giacomo also who finally broke into a negative number for the first time in his career.
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11-09-2006, 11:23 AM
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you guys are brutal...and street sence will do well on the preps ...imo
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11-09-2006, 11:26 AM
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Looked at them earlier today Rand.. I'll take the bet above. Carl Nafzger is the deciding factor here. He won't run him back until February.. He knows what he's got and did from the get-go. Sunday at the Breakfast he explained how he and Borel worked with Street Sense and how he planned to bring him along...
Nafzger, who told Mike Smith in July of 1989 that Unbridled was a Derby horse, said he knew right away what he had in this colt.
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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11-09-2006, 11:27 AM
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I'm a Street Sense fan. Somehow I just don't believe that a fast race in November transfers to a problem the following May. Call me crazy.
As for Bernardini, it is no surprise to me his numbers from Saturday are at least similar to his prior efforts. He ran very well Saturday and certainly showed a lot more in that race than his efforts against inferior competition. I have been impressed with Invasor since Pimlico. He's certainly better than anyone from last year's Classic ( not saying much ).
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11-09-2006, 11:27 AM
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then the price will be huge when he wins at churchill again with a pace setup even more advantageous than he got saturday. looking forward to it -- juvenile curse is over.
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11-09-2006, 11:31 AM
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Thoro-Graph Cup Day Figures..
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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11-09-2006, 11:32 AM
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Steve, all you have to do is look at past history...Keyed Entry and FuSam last year in the winter running their tops. How about Second of June from a few years back?(took him years to go back to negative territory and then he was gone) When they run this fast, this early it is always, I repeat always a negative....And I would never put my eggs in the basket of a 2 yr old in his 5th start needing wraps. Never.
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11-09-2006, 11:32 AM
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Saying a horse is finished off the most impressive race ever by a 2yr old in the Breeders Cup might be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. This horse has been impressive all year and to say a Kentucky Derby winning trainer was trying to squeeze the lemon is insulting. He is a february foal, which means he is actually only 3-4 months shy of being a real 3yr old. He is out of a Dubai World Cup winner which means he could be anything. This horse obviously loves Churchill, which makes him the most likely of winners in May. Of course most likely of winners at this time still means 15-1 against him winning it, but it would not surprise me if he came back and did the same thing in May over that track.
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11-09-2006, 11:37 AM
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11-09-2006, 11:40 AM
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Running the big effort isn't the issue... Running back too soon after the effort IS... Carl Nafzger is again, the difference here. Keyed Entry ran on that horrible sloppy track at Gulfstream which also ruined First Samurai, and then ran back way too soon in the Gotham (?)... Second of June ran back as well after the FOY and wasn't even three at the time yet (chronologically)... FuSam.. who cares? Nafzger will turn this colt out and give him every minute he needs to recover.
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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11-09-2006, 11:42 AM
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Look at some of the figures for Smarty Jones early in his career. Didn't hurt him.
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11-09-2006, 11:43 AM
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11-09-2006, 11:44 AM
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SJ didn't run 2-'s as a 2yo, actually he didn't hit that # until the Ark Derby...SJ bounced and still won the Derby, setting up for that effort in the Preakness...
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