Any Given Saturday

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Wouldn't surprise me if he barely loses anything.Will surprise me if he wins the Derby.Won't surprise me if he fights hard in the Derby,and loses by a little bit.HE ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH.

[hockey2315]

What has Liquidity done that warrants ANY consideration for the derby?

[blackthroatedwind]

Let me get this straight, Any Given Saturday lost by about six inches on Saturday to the current favorite for the Derby and he now " isn't good enough "? That kind of logic allowed Easy Goer to be 8:5 to Sunday Silence's 2:5 in the Belmont Stakes after the head bob in the Preakness. Unless one horse had real trouble in a race, and both Any Given Saturday and Street Sense had perfect trips, decisions this close are pretty much ties as far as handicapping is concerned unless one horse has PROVEN to have a disinterest in winning.

Both of Any Given Saturday's losses have been very close decisions to the two horses that many considered the leaders of this crop. How he isn't a MAJOR contender at this point is beyond me. I would bet money that Todd Pletcher considers him his best Derby horse.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

What has Liquidity done that warrants ANY consideration for the derby?

A second in both the Hollywood Futurity (G1) and the Sham (G3.)

IMO, the talent is definitely there, but the jury is out on whether or not he can run outside of Cali.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Let me get this straight, Any Given Saturday lost by about six inches on Saturday to the current favorite for the Derby and he now " isn't good enough "? That kind of logic allowed Easy Goer to be 8:5 to Sunday Silence's 2:5 in the Belmont Stakes after the head bob in the Preakness. Unless one horse had real trouble in a race, and both Any Given Saturday and Street Sense had perfect trips, decisions this close are pretty much ties as far as handicapping is concerned unless one horse has PROVEN to have a disinterest in winning.

Both of Any Given Saturday's losses have been very close decisions to the two horses that many considered the leaders of this crop. How he isn't a MAJOR contender at this point is beyond me. I would bet money that Todd Pletcher considers him his best Derby horse.

Your last line is exactly what hit me after watching the race, that most of America would probably bet Scat Daddy, Ravel, and Circular Quay before Any Given Saturday and in my mind he is clearly the best of Pletcher's bunch.

NT

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

What has Liquidity done that warrants ANY consideration for the derby?

He beat the winner of the Win Star Derby?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

well any given saturday had everything going for him, race over the track, dead fit, connections that are on fire, everything going for him and still did not beat street sense, who's trainer said this is a prep if he runs a good closing second we'd be happy

He lost by a head bob while running significantly wider. How did he have everything going for him? Using the trainer's pre-race excuse in case his horse got beat is an absolutely silly justification that Street Sense wasn't fit. It was the first race off the layoff so was the best chance for AGS to beat him but SS got a much better trip which offset that. In the end there was virtually nothing separating the two. Street Sense and Any Given Saturday are the only two 3yos out there with two triple digit Beyers at this point. Only Nobiz Like Shobiz has a better 3rd best Beyer than AGS (by one point). To dismiss him off this race is borderline insane.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

well any given saturday had everything going for him, race over the track, dead fit, connections that are on fire, everything going for him and still did not beat street sense, who's trainer said this is a prep if he runs a good closing second we'd be happy

DITTO..Should have won this race.I don't see the improvement needed.He is a bit short of the best.Not much(but enough.)Amazing how the horse is dead honest (right in front of you,) and you think he is kid'n.He isn't kid'n...He is giving it all,and he is short of the best.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

He lost by a head bob while running significantly wider. How did he have everything going for him? Using the trainer's pre-race excuse in case his horse got beat is an absolutely silly justification that Street Sense wasn't fit. It was the first race off the layoff so was the best chance for AGS to beat him but SS got a much better trip which offset that. In the end there was virtually nothing separating the two. Street Sense and Any Given Saturday are the only two 3yos out there with two triple digit Beyers at this point. Only Nobiz Like Shobiz has a better 3rd best Beyer than AGS (by one point). To dismiss him off this race is borderline insane.

Call me insane,but I am dismissing him as far as winning the Derby goes.I won't be surprised if he runs a close 2nd,but he will not be 1st.Somebody will beat him.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

DITTO..Should have won this race.I don't see the improvement needed.He is a bit short of the best.Not much(but enough.)Amazing how the horse is dead honest (right in front of you,) and you think he is kid'n.He isn't kid'n...He is giving it all,and he is short of the best.

LOL

I hope more people are thinking like you... it will drive up his odds on the first Saturday in May.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Call me insane,but I am dismissing him as far as winning the Derby goes.I won't be surprised if he runs a close 2nd,but he will not be 1st.Somebody will beat him.

OK, well I can't call someone saying a horse might run a close 2nd in the Derby to be dismissing him. It will be a 20 horse field that hasn't even been drawn yet so suggesting a horse won't do better than a close 2nd is hardly putting your neck on the chopping block. You can't call a horse second tier that you think will be right there at the wire in the Stampede sponsored by Yum Brands.

I'm boxing all of Pletcher's horses. I have a feeling they'll run great on Derby day.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I'm boxing all of Pletcher's horses. I have a feeling they'll run great on Derby day.

A ten horse box isn't going to be the cheapest way to go.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I'm boxing all of Pletcher's horses. I have a feeling they'll run great on Derby day.

I have a feeling he wins the derby this year.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

A ten horse box isn't going to be the cheapest way to go.

Should I throw out a few and include o'neill and assmoosen?

[reese]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Call me insane,but I am dismissing him as far as winning the Derby goes.I won't be surprised if he runs a close 2nd,but he will not be 1st.Somebody will beat him.

Gee, THAT is some prognostication considering that the Derby is a 15 -20 horse field

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Let me get this straight, Any Given Saturday lost by about six inches on Saturday to the current favorite for the Derby and he now " isn't good enough "? That kind of logic allowed Easy Goer to be 8:5 to Sunday Silence's 2:5 in the Belmont Stakes after the head bob in the Preakness. Unless one horse had real trouble in a race, and both Any Given Saturday and Street Sense had perfect trips, decisions this close are pretty much ties as far as handicapping is concerned unless one horse has PROVEN to have a disinterest in winning.

Both of Any Given Saturday's losses have been very close decisions to the two horses that many considered the leaders of this crop. How he isn't a MAJOR contender at this point is beyond me. I would bet money that Todd Pletcher considers him his best Derby horse.

Been tested twice.Failed twice.Close ain't winning.All I can tell you is that what I saw Saturday was not new.I KNEW HE WAS GUNNA LEAVE IT SHORT.Same exact look he had in the race last year.Same look that Alydar kept showing(I can do this...let me try next time..I am almost there.....I'm close.) He isn't good enough............SUCKER HORSE...............IF ever there was a SUCKER horse,it is this one.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Been tested twice.Failed twice.Close ain't winning.All I can tell you is that what I saw Saturday was not new.I KNEW HE WAS GUNNA LEAVE IT SHORT.Same exact look he had in the race last year.Same look that Alydar kept showing(I can do this...let me try next time..I am almost there.....I'm close.) He isn't good enough............SUCKER HORSE...............IF ever there was a SUCKER horse,it is this one.

Pretty impressive that you're comparing him to Alydar at this point.

With that said, this is not a sucker horse, Scuds. This isn't Perfect Drift we're talking about here.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Been tested twice.Failed twice.Close ain't winning.All I can tell you is that what I saw Saturday was not new.I KNEW HE WAS GUNNA LEAVE IT SHORT.Same exact look he had in the race last year.Same look that Alydar kept showing(I can do this...let me try next time..I am almost there.....I'm close.) He isn't good enough............SUCKER HORSE...............IF ever there was a SUCKER horse,it is this one.

WTF are you talking about? If he was always losing to inferior horses you might have a point. Do you honestly think the horse knew that his nose was three inches short on Saturday. I think that the suckers were all the people that thought he was going to easily dispatch Street Sense. After the race I came away more impressed with AGS than I was before the race. I thought he was dead game. I thought once Street Sense started rolling he would open up by daylight.

Being so lightly raced, and running against the best of his generation its ridiculous to claim he leaves it short. Is every horse that finishes second twice a SUCKER horse? He's raced five times, won three times and second twice. His maiden win was by a nose so right from the beginning your idea that he always leaves it short is wrong. He has also won by open lengths as well.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Saying AGS is second tier because he barely lost twice to great horses makes no sense. . . He BARELY lost to Street Sense and probably ran a few extra lengths than him and he also barely lost to Tiz Wonderful who would be a top derby prospect if he was healthy. . . This horse loves the poly and I would not be suprised if he wins the Bluegrass. . . He'll also love the mile and a quarter in the derby if he gets in

he will not win the bluegrass, i dont even need to know whos coming, i read great hunter is coming to the bluegrass there is no way he beats him, and if street sense runs in the bluegrass then your talking 3rd at best