Street Sense Number

randallscott35 · #1 11-09-2006, 11:15 AM

Thorograph has their numbers posted for the entire card on Saturday. I encourage you to take a look at it.

One number jumped out. A Negative 2 by Street Sense in the juvenile even while being checked on the turn in the race.

I will go on record as saying this horse will not run a negative number in his entire 3 yr old year and very likely not again in his career. I am no fan of numbers like that this early. Mind you also that front wraps were added for this start as well. The ultimate squeeze the lemon scenario and I think he is finished. He is a bet against from here on out.

blackthroatedwind · #2 11-09-2006, 11:17 AM

What number did Bernardini get ( while failing to show up at all....of course )?

randallscott35 · #3 11-09-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What number did Bernardini get ( while failing to show up at all....of course )?

A negative 3 and a quarter. Hardly a bad race.

blackthroatedwind · #4 11-09-2006, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

A negative 3 and a quarter. Hardly a bad race.

God, can you imagine if he had run his race?????

Could have been a negative 12!

randallscott35 · #5 11-09-2006, 11:21 AM

Incidently Andy, its the same number he was given in the Gold Cup. But boy do they look different when you are facing Wanderin Boy and then Invasor.

randallscott35 · #6 11-09-2006, 11:22 AM

Congrats to Giacomo also who finally broke into a negative number for the first time in his career.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #7 11-09-2006, 11:23 AM

you guys are brutal...and street sence will do well on the preps ...imo

blackthroatedwind · #8 11-09-2006, 11:27 AM

I'm a Street Sense fan. Somehow I just don't believe that a fast race in November transfers to a problem the following May. Call me crazy.

As for Bernardini, it is no surprise to me his numbers from Saturday are at least similar to his prior efforts. He ran very well Saturday and certainly showed a lot more in that race than his efforts against inferior competition. I have been impressed with Invasor since Pimlico. He's certainly better than anyone from last year's Classic ( not saying much ).

alysheba4 · #9 11-09-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

God, can you imagine if he had run his race?????

Could have been a negative 12!

.....negative smegative........horse got looked in the eye, and punched in the neck. a horse like g.z would have beat that group by 10.

blackthroatedwind · #10 11-09-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by alysheba4

.....negative smegative........horse got looked in the eye, and punched in the neck. a horse like g.z would have beat that group by 10.

Apparently identifying sarcasm is NOT one of your strong suits.

Revolution · #11 11-09-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by alysheba4

.....negative smegative........horse got looked in the eye, and punched in the neck. a horse like g.z would have beat that group by 10.

I am sure gz would have but considering he only raced 2.6x a year that doesn't say much for him.

Ghostzapper is just like Discreet Cat. Tons of talent and unable to stay healthy. That doesn't make for a great horse.

brianwspencer · #12 11-09-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Thorograph has their numbers posted for the entire card on Saturday. I encourage you to take a look at it.

One number jumped out. A Negative 2 by Street Sense in the juvenile even while being checked on the turn in the race.

I will go on record as saying this horse will not run a negative number in his entire 3 yr old year and very likely not again in his career. I am no fan of numbers like that this early. Mind you also that front wraps were added for this start as well. The ultimate squeeze the lemon scenario and I think he is finished. He is a bet against from here on out.

i'm hoping he pulls a wilko between now and the derby and doesn't win, but runs well enough to get his connections to enter him in the derby.

then the price will be huge when he wins at churchill again with a pace setup even more advantageous than he got saturday.

looking forward to it -- juvenile curse is over.

Kasept · #13 11-09-2006, 11:31 AM

http://www.thorograph.com/ROTW/cd110406r.pdf

Above is the link to the full card figures Saturday...

Revolution · #14 11-09-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Thorograph has their numbers posted for the entire card on Saturday. I encourage you to take a look at it.

One number jumped out. A Negative 2 by Street Sense in the juvenile even while being checked on the turn in the race.

I will go on record as saying this horse will not run a negative number in his entire 3 yr old year and very likely not again in his career. I am no fan of numbers like that this early. Mind you also that front wraps were added for this start as well. The ultimate squeeze the lemon scenario and I think he is finished. He is a bet against from here on out.

Saying a horse is finished off the most impressive race ever by a 2yr old in the Breeders Cup might be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. This horse has been impressive all year and to say a Kentucky Derby winning trainer was trying to squeeze the lemon is insulting. He is a february foal, which means he is actually only 3-4 months shy of being a real 3yr old. He is out of a Dubai World Cup winner which means he could be anything.

This horse obviously loves Churchill, which makes him the most likely of winners in May. Of course most likely of winners at this time still means 15-1 against him winning it, but it would not surprise me if he came back and did the same thing in May over that track.

randallscott35 · #15 11-09-2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Saying a horse is finished off the most impressive race ever by a 2yr old in the Breeders Cup might be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. This horse has been impressive all year and to say a Kentucky Derby winning trainer was trying to squeeze the lemon is insulting. He is a february foal, which means he is actually only 3-4 months shy of being a real 3yr old. He is out of a Dubai World Cup winner which means he could be anything.

This horse obviously loves Churchill, which makes him the most likely of winners in May. Of course most likely of winners at this time still means 15-1 against him winning it, but it would not surprise me if he came back and did the same thing in May over that track.

Oh yes, I love posts like this. Either you don't believe him the sheets or don't understand them, but I am not really going out on much of a limb here if you do....Hey I have no problem taking a stand on here, rather than the wishy washy b.s. by more than a few here. I'll admit if I'm wrong and I look forward to you doing the same....But in my mind he won't approach that number for the next year, if not more....My guess is he's retired come this time next year. Yet another limb. LOL.

Revolution · #16 11-09-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

It is not only not the dumbest thing you've ever heard -- or, in this case, seen -- but something to take seriously. Twenty years ago, maybe I'd agree. Horses were more resilient then. Today, they embody brilliant characteristics and react severely to such juvenile efforts. This factor is mentioned at every Ragozin seminar that I have attended: a three-year-old who never gets back to his two-year-old top.

Who knows more Ragozin or a Kentucky Derby winning horseman? That horse will get all the rest he needs and come back stronger than ever. Maybe he is just a really nice horse.

Look at some of the figures for Smarty Jones early in his career. Didn't hurt him.

Pointg5 · #17 11-09-2006, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Who knows more Ragozin or a Kentucky Derby winning horseman? That horse will get all the rest he needs and come back stronger than ever. Maybe he is just a really nice horse.

Look at some of the figures for Smarty Jones early in his career. Didn't hurt him.

SJ didn't run 2-'s as a 2yo, actually he didn't hit that # until the Ark Derby...SJ bounced and still won the Derby, setting up for that effort in the Preakness...

Scav · #18 11-09-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Who knows more Ragozin or a Kentucky Derby winning horseman? That horse will get all the rest he needs and come back stronger than ever. Maybe he is just a really nice horse.

Look at some of the figures for Smarty Jones early in his career. Didn't hurt him.

Um, Ragozin.....Smarty NEVER ran that fast as a 2 year old...NEVER...He also debuted in NOVEMBER...not already having 4 races under him.

Your up the wrong tree here Rev

As for the argument, I agree with Randall, this has Sinister Minister written all over it.....i don't agree with the wrap theory though...I would run all my horses in wraps just because I would color coordinate and it make it look all pimp, like they did with Afleet Alex.....

ArlJim78 · #19 03-17-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Thorograph has their numbers posted for the entire card on Saturday. I encourage you to take a look at it.

One number jumped out. A Negative 2 by Street Sense in the juvenile even while being checked on the turn in the race.

I will go on record as saying this horse will not run a negative number in his entire 3 yr old year and very likely not again in his career. I am no fan of numbers like that this early. Mind you also that front wraps were added for this start as well. The ultimate squeeze the lemon scenario and I think he is finished. He is a bet against from here on out.

Well equalling a track record and winning right back after a long layoff I think is a fairly strong indication he's not finished yet. I don't know if that number will come back negative, but he certainly still looks capable of it.

It would take some kind of injury for him to not make it to the Derby starting gate and most likely he will be the morning line derby favorite.

mclem10011 · #20 03-17-2007, 06:04 PM

Should be strong, would not suprise me to see him ML fav, still a few preps to go though.