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Old 03-19-2007, 02:26 PM
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I really like this horse, but even a tough-luck 3rd in a likely full-gate at the Bluegrass might not get him into the Kentucky Derby based on graded earnings. He's at about $102,000 now I believe. IMO Johnny V. got too cute on him at Tampa Saturday looking over his shoulder about nine times instead of just letting him go and making Street Sense play catch up. That probably cost him the W in that race and could conceivably lose him a spot in the big dance as well.
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Old 03-19-2007, 02:37 PM
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He isn't good enough.He is good,but there is no doubt in my mind that he is not good enough.People are gunna look for excuses for him,but he has twice lost a fair fight.........2nd-3rd-4th-5th.....Got a little Arabian Head, too.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:02 PM
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He isn't good enough.He is good,but there is no doubt in my mind that he is not good enough.People are gunna look for excuses for him,but he has twice lost a fair fight.........2nd-3rd-4th-5th.....Got a little Arabian Head, too.
Any Given Saturday has a loss by a head to the champion 2YO and a half-length loss to Tiz Wonderful, one of the most highly regarded 2YOs around. How is he not good enough? What makes you think that? I'd love to hear it.

The horse still undoubtedly has to get over the hump, but I can't believe that right now he is just simply not good enough.

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Old 03-19-2007, 03:06 PM
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Any Given Saturday has a loss by a head to the champion 2YO and a half-length loss to Tiz Wonderful, one of the most highly regarded 2YOs around. How is he not good enough? What makes you think that? I'd love to hear it.

The horse still undoubtedly has to get over the hump, but I can't believe that right now he is just simply not good enough.

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The competition ain't gunna get easier.He is a known quantity(good,but not good enough.)He is the same teaser that he was last year.Don't fall for it.He can't get it done.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:12 PM
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The competition ain't gunna get easier.He is a known quantity(good,but not good enough.)He is the same teaser that he was last year.Don't fall for it.He can't get it done.
I agree.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:13 PM
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He's a little feller.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:10 PM
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Any Given Saturday has a loss by a head to the champion 2YO and a half-length loss to Tiz Wonderful, one of the most highly regarded 2YOs around. How is he not good enough? What makes you think that? I'd love to hear it.

The horse still undoubtedly has to get over the hump, but I can't believe that right now he is just simply not good enough.

NT
I agree. The reason the horse has been dumped by the previous posters probably has more to do with hammering him at the window, and not cashing.

That's the lament of a disgruntled horseplayer.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:12 PM
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I agree. The reason the horse has been dumped by the previous posters probably has more to do with hammering him at the window, and not cashing.

That's the lament of a disgruntled horseplayer.
well i obviously did not hammer him, i spoke all week of hammering street sense, which i did not do i backed off, but i would have never bet any given saturday, so why are you implying that towards ?
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:17 PM
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well i obviously did not hammer him, i spoke all week of hammering street sense, which i did not do i backed off, but i would have never bet any given saturday, so why are you implying that towards ?
Because, common sense tells me that when two horses gut it out the last yards of a damn horse race as in the likes of this particular heat, one doesn't bail because the other lost the contest by a damn head bob.

So therefore, I'm going to relegate him to second tier.

...no, I don't think so.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:14 PM
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I agree. The reason the horse has been dumped by the previous posters probably has more to do with hammering him at the window, and not cashing.

That's the lament of a disgruntled horseplayer.
I don't hammer anything at the window.........Horse had 1st run.....Couldn't draw off........Ain't good enough to do it,but he is a good horse.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:20 PM
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I don't hammer anything at the window.........Horse had 1st run.....Couldn't draw off........Ain't good enough to do it,but he is a good horse.
Velazquez didn't even start riding the horse until Street Sense was already up the rail and in front. He did not have first run. Street Sense had first run.

I think these premature observations are just that, premature. Somebody even said AGS had every chance to beat Street Sense. The latter got a significantly better trip.

We're talking about this horse being a 2nd tier horse in March when you guys are talking in various threads about Notional, Liquidity, Belgravia, Nobiz and a host of others as first tier horses. That's a little off base in my opinion and again it's just my opinion.

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Old 03-19-2007, 03:04 PM
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He isn't good enough.He is good,but there is no doubt in my mind that he is not good enough.People are gunna look for excuses for him,but he has twice lost a fair fight.........2nd-3rd-4th-5th.....Got a little Arabian Head, too.
i totally agree with him, i talked up street sense for weeks before this past saturday and alot of ppl were saying any given saturday would beat him, well he had every chance to beat him and alot more going for him, and he still did not beat him, scuds is correct he's just not good enough, he is a second tier horse i feel very strongly about that, and i felt that way before the tampa bay derby
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:06 PM
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i totally agree with him, i talked up street sense for weeks before this past saturday and alot of ppl were saying any given saturday would beat him, well he had every chance to beat him and alot more going for him, and he still did not beat him, scuds is correct he's just not good enough, he is a second tier horse i feel very strongly about that, and i felt that way before the tampa bay derby
How is he second tier by losing to the top of his class by a head bob?
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:08 PM
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How is he second tier by losing to the top of his class by a head bob?
he dosent win, thats how.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:16 PM
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he dosent win, thats how.
Do you honestly think the horse had any clue whether or not he won the photo? One foot later and his head bobbed in front. The horse had no clue whether or not he won. He is also 3 for 5 which makes your "he doesn't win" comment completely ridiculous.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:20 PM
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Saying AGS is second tier because he barely lost twice to great horses makes no sense. . . He BARELY lost to Street Sense and probably ran a few extra lengths than him and he also barely lost to Tiz Wonderful who would be a top derby prospect if he was healthy. . . This horse loves the poly and I would not be suprised if he wins the Bluegrass. . . He'll also love the mile and a quarter in the derby if he gets in
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:04 PM
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I really like this horse, but even a tough-luck 3rd in a likely full-gate at the Bluegrass might not get him into the Kentucky Derby based on graded earnings. He's at about $102,000 now I believe. IMO Johnny V. got too cute on him at Tampa Saturday looking over his shoulder about nine times instead of just letting him go and making Street Sense play catch up. That probably cost him the W in that race and could conceivably lose him a spot in the big dance as well.
With Street Sense, Great Hunter, Ketchikan, Belgravia, and Twilight Meteor all running there among others it would seem to be a very tough spot to expect to do better than 3rd. Even 2nd wouldn't guarantee him of getting in. They should alter plans and go to the Arkansas Derby instead where the competition will be easier and a second place finish will get him the graded earnings for sure.
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