Big Brown is no Preakness lock

[Better Than Honour]

Does anyone know the status of Harlem Rocker for the Preakness. This horse will be a serious problem for Big Brown. Obviously I hope Big Brown doesn't turn out like Barbaro, but Harlem Rocker could be this year's Bernardini.

[the_fat_man]

Sounds like you've hit on something. I'd drain the accounts.

[Better Than Honour]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Sounds like you've hit on something. I'd drain the accounts.

I think they want to run in the Queens Plate trial, but why? There is basically a guaranteed 2nd place check in a million dollar race for him. I would take on Big Brown now off two weeks rest. There is a chance he will never get a chance to see him again if he goes to the Queens Plate.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

I think they want to run in the Queens Plate trial, but why? There is basically a guaranteed 2nd place check in a million dollar race for him. I would take on Big Brown now off two weeks rest. There is a chance he will never get a chance to see him again if he goes to the Queens Plate.

But if you are so quick to give Harlem Rocker a chance against BB, why do you mention the second place check?

[XIIPointStables]

I'm just hoping I can get some hopeless Scrappy T-like horse into 2nd for the TRI.

Afleet Alex-Scrappy T-Giacomo tri was over $400.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables

I'm just hoping I can get some hopeless Scrappy T-like horse into 2nd for the TRI.

Afleet Alex-Scrappy T-Giacomo tri was over $400.

How long were you holding you breath on the turn?

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables

I'm just hoping I can get some hopeless Scrappy T-like horse into 2nd for the TRI.

Afleet Alex-Scrappy T-Giacomo tri was over $400.

I'm think the same thing, find the Scrappy T type second place horse and nail a Trifecta for $20 or so.

[2 Dollar Bill]

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables

I'm just hoping I can get some hopeless Scrappy T-like horse into 2nd for the TRI.

Afleet Alex-Scrappy T-Giacomo tri was over $400.

Check out your local Maryland Trainer... and yes I had that exacta ...a few times !!!!

[CSC]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Why? Don't horses usually come back after a trip to Canada?

I think this would really depend on Stronach's national patriotism. The Canadian dollar is equal to the U.S dollar, their triple crown is certainly worth some prestige and I think there is a monetary bonus to boot. If he does go in and wins the Plate Trial, I think it is almost assured he will go to the Plate and it might be the Travers or Haskell that he reappears here again.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Why? Don't horses usually come back after a trip to Canada?

Ummmmm No.......Obviously you have never heard of The Canada Triangle.

[AlexP]

Actually I think the Canadian dollar is worth slightly less than the U.S. dollar. But I agree, I think if he won the Plate Trial he'd go to the Queen's Plate. However, the Preakness would fit in just as well schedule wise as the Trial, and he could then go to the Queen's Plate. The question is, has he raced on synthetics? If he hasn't, and I don't think he has, maybe part of the Plate Trial would to be try him on synthetics first. Also, Canada does have the rule that you have to race twice, I believe, in the country to be considered for a Sovereign Award. I don't believe this would be an issue for Harlem Rocker, because I think if he did well in the Queen's Plate (and maybe even if not) he'd go on to the Prince of Wales which would give him two starts, but any successful run in Canada would enhance his chances at a championship.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

Does anyone know the status of Harlem Rocker for the Preakness. This horse will be a serious problem for Big Brown. Obviously I hope Big Brown doesn't turn out like Barbaro, but Harlem Rocker could be this year's Bernardini.

Harlem Rocker is this weeks Court Vision.

It absolutely nausiates my to come on this site and watch the blatent hating that goes on here. Everytime a horse puts in a spectacular performance here you people are to bring a horse back down to earth with stupid rants about, well he aint no Street Sense or Real Quiet or who ever you want to compare him to. Lets state Fact: He cant win out of the 20 post...Wrong, He cant win off of 3 races...wrong his feet wont hold up...wrong. This horse had the odds stacked aganst him and he shined like a champion. I would just like to hear the excuses on how he cant win the Belmont after winning the Preakness by 15.
According to you people he is the worst horse ever to win the Derby.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Harlem Rocker is this weeks Court Vision.

It absolutely nausiates my to come on this site and watch the blatent hating that goes on here. Everytime a horse puts in a spectacular performance here you people are to bring a horse back down to earth with stupid rants about, well he aint no Street Sense or Real Quiet or who ever you want to compare him to. Lets state Fact: He cant win out of the 20 post...Wrong, He cant win off of 3 races...wrong his feet wont hold up...wrong. This horse had the odds stacked aganst him and he shined like a champion. I would just like to hear the excuses on how he cant win the Belmont after winning the Preakness by 15.
According to you people his is the worst horse ever to win the Derby.

Well, I really didn't think there was any way Smarty Jones could lose the Belmont after winning the Preakness by 15. Then they ran the race. I don't think anyone has ever called him the worst horse to ever win the Derby one single time. I think what you are seeing is people questioning the strength of this crop of 3 yr olds, a general dislike of his connections and looking for a way to beat the favorite at the window.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Well, I really didn't think there was any way Smarty Jones could lose the Belmont after winning the Preakness by 15. Then they ran the race. I don't think anyone has ever called him the worst horse to ever win the Derby one single time. I think what you are seeing is people questioning the strength of this crop of 3 yr olds, a general dislike of his connections and looking for a way to beat the favorite at the window.

Find me one thread where anybody gives this horse his due. Hell with the rest of the 18 piece of crap horses in the race. He drew away from the filly that was running out of her shoes and had the perfect trip. Just comparing what he did to her makes him special in my book. He single handedly broke that horse down because she ran her heart out to catch him and couldnt come close. And I dont want to hear anythng about her being a filly she was an awesome specimen.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Find me one thread where anybody gives this horse his due. Hell with the rest of the 18 piece of crap horses in the race. He drew away from the filly that was running out of her shoes and had the perfect trip. Just comparing what he did to her makes him special in my book. He single handedly broke that horse down because she ran her heart out to catch him and couldnt come close. And I dont want to hear anythng about her being a filly she was an awesome specimen.

Hell here is one from back in early March....

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I know I'm a little late on this but

Big Brown is an absolute monster, but everyone already knew that from his maiden win at the Spa. What was so impressive about his win at GP was that he was never asked to run, and was actually held back down the stretch. They don't want him running too hard to save something in the tank and for fear of injury. When the horse broke his maiden, he ran too hard.

And 21.20 is still very fast for a quarter mile workout even though at last year's Keeneland sale, the track was playing extremely fast. I think that the fastest quarter mile was 20 3/5ths at that sale if I remember correctly, which was a new world record. However, at a sale where the track is playing a little more fair, anything under 21 and 3/5ths is considered to be very fast.

I'm glad this one made it back to the track, and also Zada Belle. Now if Gilchrist could only get Indyanne straight, and a certain trainer could get his monster to the races...that would be great! Also would like to see Magnificience come back.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Find me one thread where anybody gives this horse his due. Hell with the rest of the 18 piece of crap horses in the race. He drew away from the filly that was running out of her shoes and had the perfect trip. Just comparing what he did to her makes him special in my book. He single handedly broke that horse down because she ran her heart out to catch him and couldnt come close. And I dont want to hear anythng about her being a filly she was an awesome specimen.

I'll just say he's a very good horse right now. That's as far as I am willing to go. I also don't think he is remotely close to being the worst Ky Derby winner despite the lack of class he beat. There have been a million Big Brown threads, I'm sure at some point someone said good things about him.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Harlem Rocker is this weeks Court Vision.

I stopped reading after this comment.

I'm assuming I didn't miss much.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I stopped reading after this comment.

I'm assuming I didn't miss much.

Start making the excuses for Harlem Rocker right now on why he couldnt hold BB's jock in the Preakness

[The Bid]

I dont think hell need any excuses.

I would like to see Miners Claim run on a dirt surface, Preakness would be nice

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I dont think hell need any excuses.

I would like to see Miners Claim run on a dirt surface, Preakness would be nice

As would I. I know Casse shipped him back to Toronto, and mentioned possibly trying one of the big summer stakes (Haskell or Travers), although with only 2 races this year, he would seem fit to try the Preakness if they wanted.

I'd also like to see Ready's Echo, but that's probably unlikely. Pletcher mentioned on At the Races a few weeks ago that they may try him in the Peter Pan.