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Old 11-29-2006, 01:01 PM
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Default Best Horses not to win a derby who ran into it

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Old 11-29-2006, 01:04 PM
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SHAM !
losing to Big Red in 1973 and then had his heart broken in the Belmont
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Old 11-29-2006, 01:08 PM
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if Russell Baze rode Sham it would of won, same goes for Gary Stevens
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Old 11-29-2006, 01:13 PM
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if Russell Baze rode Sham it would of won, same goes for Gary Stevens
No jockey on earth riding any horse in history beats Secretariat in the Triple Crown! Just exactly what would a different jockey do? I agree Sham was one of the best ever to not win...I'd say Native Dancer would be first however!
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Old 11-29-2006, 01:26 PM
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Old 11-29-2006, 01:38 PM
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Old 11-29-2006, 02:19 PM
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No jockey on earth riding any horse in history beats Secretariat in the Triple Crown! Just exactly what would a different jockey do? I agree Sham was one of the best ever to not win...I'd say Native Dancer would be first however!
Don't bother to argue with him, it's just a cry for attention.
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Old 11-29-2006, 01:41 PM
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if Russell Baze rode Sham it would of won, same goes for Gary Stevens

I just don't see what Russell Baze riding Gary Stevens has to do with this particular topic. To each his own I guess.
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Old 11-29-2006, 01:46 PM
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Native Dancer, Easy Goer and Holy Bull...
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Old 11-29-2006, 01:47 PM
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1. Native Dancer
2. Bimelech
3. Damascus
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Old 11-29-2006, 02:13 PM
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Alydar
Bold Ruler
Gallant Man
Round Table
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Old 11-29-2006, 02:19 PM
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Going back to 1940, there have been some good ones, but Native Dancer has got to top the list. Also Damascus, Nashua, Bimelech, Little Current, Risen Star, Point Given, Afleet Alex, Tobasco Cat, Hansel, and Capot all won the Preakness and Belmont.
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Old 11-29-2006, 11:12 PM
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I don't have much of a problem with ND, and AGV did more for me than anyone in racing. I was never happy with the way he "ducked" Tom Fool though.
You? I haven't slept a wink since it happened.
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Old 11-29-2006, 02:47 PM
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POINT GIVEN
aFLEET ALIX
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Point Given may have given Holy Bull a little tussle, but the Bull was so much better than the other two, they don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath.
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Old 11-30-2006, 02:03 AM
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EMPIRE MAKER
POINT GIVEN
aFLEET ALIX

are f*cking kidding me?
I like all 3 of those, but come on.
I will restrict this to just horses of our lifetime(we are about the same age) b/c otherwise the list would just be too long of horses that were better than the ones you listed.

Slew O'Gold
Holy Bull
Easy Goer
Skip Away
Hansel
Best Pal
Risen Star
Gate Dancer
Congaree
MDO

if you want to talk about Native Dancer and Nasua, well, there are plenty of others if you want to go far back in history.



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Old 11-30-2006, 04:41 PM
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[quote=repent]are f*cking kidding me?
I like all 3 of those, but come on.
I will restrict this to just horses of our lifetime(we are about the same age) b/c otherwise the list would just be too long of horses that were better than the ones you listed.

Slew O'Gold
Holy Bull
Easy Goer
Skip Away
Hansel
Best Pal
Risen Star
Gate Dancer
Congaree
MDO

if you want to talk about Native Dancer and Nasua, well, there are plenty of others if you want to go far back in history.

Holy Bull, Easy Goer, Skip Away, Risen Star, Hansel 100% agreed but Medaglia D'oro & Congaree you'er kidding right ??

Point Given is a must with Empire Maker and AAlex
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Old 12-01-2006, 12:15 AM
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are f*cking kidding me?
I like all 3 of those, but come on.
I will restrict this to just horses of our lifetime(we are about the same age) b/c otherwise the list would just be too long of horses that were better than the ones you listed.

Slew O'Gold
Holy Bull
Easy Goer
Skip Away
Hansel
Best Pal
Risen Star
Gate Dancer
Congaree
MDO

if you want to talk about Native Dancer and Nasua, well, there are plenty of others if you want to go far back in history.

Holy Bull, Easy Goer, Skip Away, Risen Star, Hansel 100% agreed but Medaglia D'oro & Congaree you'er kidding right ?
Point Given is a must with Empire Maker and AAlex
No,
not kidding.

MDO just ran into some real good horses and other not so good horses who freaked on one particular day.
watch his races again and you will see a very good 9/10f horse.

Congaree might be the best dirt miler not named Ghostzapper since Holy Bull.
if 8f were a more important dirt distance, we would think of him as an all time great.


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Old 11-30-2006, 08:43 AM
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Man O' War even the Ky Derby at his time wasn't on the same level as it today but still none the less Man O' War!!!!!!!!!!!11
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Old 11-30-2006, 08:53 AM
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Man O' War even the Ky Derby at his time wasn't on the same level as it today but still none the less Man O' War!!!!!!!!!!!11
I think the thread is devoted to horses that actually ran in the Derby but didn't win.

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Old 12-02-2006, 08:19 PM
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