Songbird Has a Baby

casp0555 · #1 01-28-2019, 06:59 AM

A little girl...

https://twitter.com/BH_AEberhardt/st...66949184684033

Alabama Stakes · #2 01-28-2019, 10:26 AM

She's beautiful like her Mom. I wonder what they will name her ?
Photogate ?
Mom Actually Won ?

RHT2004 · #3 01-28-2019, 11:00 AM

Close Hatches > Songbird
Icon Projects best race > Songbirds best race

blackthroatedwind · #4 01-28-2019, 11:29 AM

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Close Hatches > Songbird
Icon Projects best race > Songbirds best race

Icon Project's best race was better than Accelerate. A little unfair, however, to say either of those horses were better than Songbird. How about Songbird's 2YO season? Can you name any recent 2YO fillies that were better than her on dirt? I don't think I can. Songbird was a better 3YO than Close Hatches as well. She just didn't improve off her 2YO form. Sort of shows how good she was as a 2YO.

Songbird was overrated as a 3YO by some....but she was still VERY good.

RHT2004 · #5 01-28-2019, 11:44 AM

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Icon Project's best race was better than Accelerate. A little unfair, however, to say either of those horses were better than Songbird. How about Songbird's 2YO season? Can you name any recent 2YO fillies that were better than her on dirt? I don't think I can. Songbird was a better 3YO than Close Hatches as well. She just didn't improve off her 2YO form. Sort of shows how good she was as a 2YO.

Songbird was overrated as a 3YO by some....but she was still VERY good.

As a whole do you think Songbird was better then Close Hatches? I dont. Close Hatches big win over Beholder and that Princess horse does it for me. Songbirds Del Cap was an eyesore. Her loss at Saratoga was inexcusable, we all liked FU, but Songbird had everything her own way that day and was run down.

RHT2004 · #6 01-28-2019, 11:47 AM

As for her 2yr old season, i dont remember Bob having anything. In the BC she beat up on Pletcher and Nicks horses who never really did much after. Then she spent time beating up on Carina Mia as a 3yr old who Mott and Chad couldn't get much out of. I find her overrated as a whole, while acknowledging she was accomplished.

cakes44 · #7 01-28-2019, 11:51 AM

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As a whole do you think Songbird was better then Close Hatches? I dont. Close Hatches big win over Beholder and that Princess horse does it for me. Songbirds Del Cap was an eyesore. Her loss at Saratoga was inexcusable, we all liked FU, but Songbird had everything her own way that day and was run down.

Wasn't Beholder hurt in that race?

RHT2004 · #8 01-28-2019, 11:53 AM

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Wasn't Beholder hurt in that race?

Possibly. My memory is getting bad with old age.

Alabama Stakes · #9 01-28-2019, 12:17 PM

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As a whole do you think Songbird was better then Close Hatches? I dont. Close Hatches big win over Beholder and that Princess horse does it for me. Songbirds Del Cap was an eyesore. Her loss at Saratoga was inexcusable, we all liked FU, but Songbird had everything her own way that day and was run down.

In Delaware, she fought gamely for the win off of the lay-off. No shame in that.
In her lone loss, She was racing while injured and would have won if Mike Smith had taken her out to see Forever Unbridled coming. smith said he didn’t want to blow the ground going 5 paths out, but if he had to do it again, he would have give Songbird a chance to see her coming. The same Forever Unbridled that had no excuse in the Distaff, where Songbird got placed second in error. It’s all there to see on the slow motion replay where JD Bailey called Songbird the winner.

RHT2004 · #10 01-28-2019, 12:20 PM

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In Delaware, she fought gamely for the win off of the lay-off. No shame in that.
In her lone loss, She was racing while injured and would have won if Mike Smith had taken her out to see Forever Unbridled coming. smith said he didn’t want to blow the ground going 5 paths out, but if he had to do it again, he would have give Songbird a chance to see her coming. The same Forever Unbridled that had no excuse in the Distaff, where Songbird got placed second in error. It’s all there to see on the slow motion replay where JD Bailey called Songbird the winner.

No excuse? An argument can be made that she was best in the Distaff that year. Slow pace shes the only horse to make up ground.
Forever Unbridled > Songbird

Alabama Stakes · #11 01-28-2019, 12:53 PM

Question. Answer honestly. Did you think FU was going by Songbird and Beholder in the Distaff ?

You see where FU was on the turn. When she is in that position, does she not usually roll by ? What happened? Certainly if she was better, she would have showed it late vs 2 who had battled head and head for so long.

Alabama Stakes · #12 01-28-2019, 12:54 PM

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Icon Project's best race was better than Accelerate. A little unfair, however, to say either of those horses were better than Songbird. How about Songbird's 2YO season? Can you name any recent 2YO fillies that were better than her on dirt? I don't think I can. Songbird was a better 3YO than Close Hatches as well. She just didn't improve off her 2YO form. Sort of shows how good she was as a 2YO.

Songbird was overrated as a 3YO by some....but she was still VERY good.

Nicest thing you ever said about Songbird... is Zenyatta next?

blackthroatedwind · #13 01-28-2019, 04:57 PM

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As a whole do you think Songbird was better then Close Hatches? I dont. Close Hatches big win over Beholder and that Princess horse does it for me. Songbirds Del Cap was an eyesore. Her loss at Saratoga was inexcusable, we all liked FU, but Songbird had everything her own way that day and was run down.

As 4YOs, Close Hatches was the better horse, as Songbird was not particularly good as a 4YO and Close Hatches was, until she wasn't...which shouldn't be ignored.

Suggesting Songbird wasn't a good 2YO because Baffert didn't have a good one is idiotic. She was a brilliant 2YO. Once again, tell me the last one that was better. Her 3YO year was sensational. She just didn't improve from two to three, but she was still much better than her ( admittedly ) weak competition. Don't forget, Forever Unbridled was a 4YO when they met in the BC. As a 3YO, Forever Unbridled couldn't have warmed up Songbird.

You are going WAY overboard....frankly more than her delusional fans that dramatically overrated her. She was a terrific horse. It's not her fault some of her fans evaluated her unreasonably.

knickslions2 · #14 01-28-2019, 06:48 PM

Songbird was a fun horse to watch and amazing at 2 years old. Overall 9 grade 1 wins. On a side note watching your nets up in Boston tonight Andy.

RHT2004 · #15 01-28-2019, 07:04 PM

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Songbird was a fun horse to watch and amazing at 2 years old. Overall 9 grade 1 wins. On a side note watching your nets up in Boston tonight Andy.

Stephen A says they have a shot at AD.

lemoncrush · #16 01-28-2019, 07:08 PM

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As a whole do you think Songbird was better then Close Hatches? I dont. Close Hatches big win over Beholder and that Princess horse does it for me. Songbirds Del Cap was an eyesore. Her loss at Saratoga was inexcusable, we all liked FU, but Songbird had everything her own way that day and was run down.

I wasn't her biggest fan, but I had a ton of respect for the horse. She shipped everywhere and won. Graded stakes wins at Del Mar, Santa Anita, Keenland, Saratoga, Parx, Belmont and Delaware. At distances from 6F to 10F.

Her speed figures weren't legendary, but she ran a lot and didn't duck anyone.
Cool horse.