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03-09-2008, 05:26 PM
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in visionares defence he wont win the derby..but his ability to close will help him and lets face it..there arent much out there yet..matz had been to the dance and showed some class in not putting chelokee where it did not belong.. preakness ..if he does go.. i would play him under ..
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03-09-2008, 05:27 PM
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03-09-2008, 05:27 PM
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I wouldn't. The derby won't fall apart this year. It'll be a speedway.
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03-09-2008, 05:39 PM
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03-09-2008, 05:43 PM
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your opinion means nothing.. i could really be mean to you and make you cry ..but i wont..
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03-09-2008, 05:45 PM
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 Your comment the other day was mean in another post. I'm a problematic poster because I don't worship BTW, I don't agree with everything he says, and I'm not afraid to disagree like most others on here. It's easy to follow the crowd, but I don't like to take the easy way out. I'm problematic because I don't call others clueless, idiots (with the exception of one DTer because of his comment the other day), or other various names. I simply state my opinions, and I try not to be derogatory. I give others credit when they are right, and usually take everyone's opinions into consideration. Good luck trying to make me cry. I don't cry anyway. You would be hard pressed to find someone who is tougher than me. Oh yeah, and my opinion may mean nothing to you, but several have asked me not to leave, so I won't. I don't back down to bullies anyway. Last edited by kentuckyrosesinmay : 03-09-2008 at 06:04 PM.
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03-09-2008, 10:52 PM
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i just saw that pyro moved ahead of war pass in futures wagering.
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03-09-2008, 11:10 PM
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People will probably get a better price on Pyro in the likely event that he can't hold his current form on Kee's polytrack.
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03-10-2008, 08:06 AM
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03-10-2008, 08:42 AM
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FINAL ODDS IN THE FUTURE WAGER RND 2
1 Blackberry Road David Carroll 30 45 2 Bob Black Jack James Kasparoff 30 49 3 Colonel John Eoin Harty 12 17 4 Cool Coal Man Nicholas Zito 10 26 5 Court Vision William Mott 12 16 6 Denis of Cork David Carroll 15 12 7 El Gato Malo Craig Dollase 15 15 8 Elysium Fields Barclay Tagg 15 17 9 Fierce Wind Nicholas Zito 20 51 10 Gayego Paulo Lobo 20 99 11 Georgie Boy Kathy Walsh 20 20 12 Giant Moon Richard Schosberg 20 67 13 J Be K Steven Asmussen 30 53 14 Majestic Warrior William Mott 20 27 15 Monba Todd Pletcher 30 35 16 Nikkisgoldensteed Robert Hess, Jr. 50 99 17 Pyro Steven Asmussen 6 4 18 Smooth Air Bennie Stutts, Jr. 50 99 19 Tale of Ekati Barclay Tagg 30 47 20 Visionaire Michael Matz 30 19 21 War Pass Nicholas Zito 5 9-2 22 Yankee Bravo Patrick Gallagher 30 41 23 Z Fortune Steven Asmussen 20 33 24 All Other 3YO 10 6
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03-10-2008, 11:43 AM
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Among the favs, Pyro is 4-1, War Pass is 4.6-1, and All Others is 6.5-1. Among the "99-1"'s, Smooth Air is actually 192-1, Gayego is 112.10-1, and Nikki's is 99.20-1. --Dunbar
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03-10-2008, 11:59 AM
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kentucky derby future will pays
about .com:http://www.kentucky derby.com all others $15.00 pyro $10.00 war pass$11.20 visionaire$41.60 etc etc
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03-11-2008, 07:29 PM
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Who appears to be the best value in there? To me War Pass, Cool Coal Man and all others look like the value. I'm wondering why Cool Coal Man should be higher odds than Elysium Fields. Could it be his running style or pedigree compared with Elysium Fields? The fact that Zito trains War Pass and may point CCM somewhere else? After reading the FOY recap on drf it seemed like Zito conceded CCM got a great trip and wasn't inclined to point him to the Fla. derby.
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