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23.27 23.30 25.07 25.05 That's about as 'identical' as you could get. |
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How about this for all of u that need it: Next time Daaher runs a 1-turn race, I give him a 70% chance of winning. Next time he runs a 2-turn stakes race, I give him a 20% chance or less of winning. This is in case I'm working and can't post my pre-race analysis beforehand. Good enough?
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http://drf.com/news/article/92028.html Sun-Sentinel: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features...,6600025.story McGlaughlin: "It's obvious something went wrong." |
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but he also said it appears daaher came back sound.
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Anyone who remembers the Cigar Mile knew Daaher had that race gift wrapped to him. As good a sprinter as Midnight Lute is, he has ZERO early speed. So who else was chasing him? The ass-dragging Naughty New Yorker and Exchanger. Exchanger has some talent but again, no early speed. If you are in good form and on the lead and all you have to put away is Exchanger, you'd better romp.
FWIW, how about the race Kiss the Kid ran? THe pace was strong and he put away Daaher and held on for 3rd. AP Arrow will probably be overbet next time out for his closing on a fast pace, pick up the pieces second. |
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I agree about Kiss the Kid and can only wonder what his recent resume would look like if he had been ridden well in his last two starts. Frankly, his performance yesterday is probably a condemnation of the race in general....as how good could it have been if he ran so well.
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"Luzzi told McLaughlin that the Florida heat might have been Daaher's undoing.
"It's obvious something went wrong," McLaughlin said. "The [jockey] said it felt like he overheated. ... These things can happen. Right now he's walking OK." I think that to some extent, since it seems right now at least that Daaher is physically okay, this makes KG's point about not putting "a line through the race" a valid one, although perhaps not for the reasons KG stated. It makes it worth figuring out - for fututre betting purposes - why the horse ran like that. Was it the heat, as Luzzi stated? Was it the layoff? Is he the sort of horse that can handle added distance with a nice foundation, but can't first off a break? Does he just not like the Gulfstream strip? Is he a NY only horse? (Look at his record/figs in and out of New York) I don't know the answer to these questions, but in light of that uncharacteristic performance, asking them seems valid. Simply putting a line through the race and saying "something went wrong" (or using it as evidence that he simply can't handle two-turns), doesn't seem productive to me. It makes sense to take an educated guess as to what that "something" might be. |
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Re: the Swale, I think BTW mentioned earlier that the race could go down (or should) in designation. I was underwhelmed by that field and the Swale seems to be living off its past reputation; there used to be a time when horses used the Swale as a prep for the Florida Derby but those days are long gone.
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Of course KG is right that you can't just completely dismiss Daaher's race out of hand. But, at the same time, he also very clearly did not run " his " race. It is in determining why that was, in any case, that matters in the future. But, his effort yesterday was also very clearly not indicative of his true talent. It's sort of semantics.
Maybe it was the early pressure that was completely his undoing, though considering the way the track had been playing both Friday and Saturday, and the way Daaher effectively chucked it relatively early, any reasonable race watcher would probably come to the conclusion that Daaher's effort was more than just a case of a need the lead type that will wilt with early pressure going two turns. Of course one can say you need to weigh the many possibilities in racing, and that's one of the reasons the game is endlessly fascinating, but it is in one's actual ability to correctly analyze these possibilities that will ultimately determine how successful they are in predicting the future. I may well not be running to play Daaher in any similar scenerios in the future, and his connections may agree and avoid them, but I also wholeheartedly believe that for whatever reason Daaher did not run " his " true race yesterday. |
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Is it such a tragedy if he's maybe just a stalking/pace-making miler? NT |
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I also should have put the quotations around " true ", and not his, in the final sentence. |
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You think it was a major accomplishment that Daheer, winning a Grade 1, outfinished a 2yo maiden after setting similar fractions? Jesus Christ. |
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I think it's a mistake to discount his performance today. We don't know how good Daaher is in two-turn races when he's facing some pace pressure. Perhaps today's race is indicative of how he'd run everytime he is faced with a scenario like today. When you say he's obviously better than we saw today, you are basing that assumption on having seen him run under totally different conditions today. Before automatically assuming it was just an off day, consider that it might not have been. Quote:
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You must have scored out.....otherwise this is pretty pathetic. But at least now I can bring back every one of your wacky opinions that proves totally false.
For the record.....I made a huge bet on Temporary Saint who finished second to the completely impossible winner. |
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No, I didn't score on this race. I didn't think Daaher could lose and I didn't bet it.
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