Final Verdict ... Fog Is A Fraud

#1 07-15-2006, 06:06 PM

Ten days before the 2005 BC Sprint ... when Lost In The Fog was the hottest favorite on the card ... and the goo-goos on that "other" horse racing forum were going ga-ga over how great he was ... I flat out predicted that he'd fold like a cheap tent.

Even after the race ... the goo-goos still had child-like faith in their hero. One poster ... whom I'll call KG ... predicted Lost In The Fog would break world speed records this year ... and be named Horse-Of-The-Year.

Another hyperventilator ... whom I'll call S_s_n ... proclaimed her unshakeable faith in his greatness.

Even my amazing friend Dixie ... the world's second most astute observer of race horses ... believed in him.

Well ... today we've gotten the final verdict ... Bold Brooklynite was right all along ... Lost In The Fog is ... and always was ... nothing but cheap speed.

Sorry KG ... sorry S_s_n ... your boy let you down again. Don't get suicidal ... just be happy that I warned you .. and made it easier for you to survive.

P.S. Our dear friend Fupeg ... after the BC Sprint ... drew the correct conclusion about Lost In The Fog ... and fought valiantly against the goo-goos all Fall. Congratulations Fupeg ... another good analysis on your part. Don't you feel really sorry for your old "friends"?

Pointg5 · #2 07-15-2006, 06:35 PM

He's definetely not as good as Mayan King...

#3 07-15-2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

He's definetely not as good as Mayan King...

Honestly, who really is?

Pointg5 · #4 07-15-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Society Selection

Honestly, who really is?

Not Many...

Actually, I get a kick out of Bold's Mayan King obsession, I don't think half the people realize that he's joking...

I have a problem with this post though, because it's easy to say he will lose without saying who will win, if he backed that up with a winner, that would be another thing...

Gander · #5 07-15-2006, 06:49 PM

Exacltly, good point Mwindu. Going out on a limb predicting a very vulnerable favorite will lose in a 12 horse evenly matched sprint field.

Pointg5 · #6 07-15-2006, 06:51 PM

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Exacltly, good point Mwindu. Going out on a limb predicting a very vulnerable favorite will lose in a 12 horse evenly matched sprint field.

I am glad I stayed away this weekend, would have taken a huge beating, two weeks in a row of major beating would not be good...I had no opinion on these races other than I thought Dubai Escapade would cruise, wrong...

#7 07-15-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

Actually, I get a kick out of Bold's Mayan King obsession, I don't think half the people realize that he's joking...

I have a problem with this post though, because it's easy to say he will lose without saying who will win, if he backed that up with a winner, that would be another thing...

Joking? Hey ... when it comes to Mayan King ... I'm deadly SERIOUS.

As I stated above ... the purpose of this thread was to remind a bunch of losers elsewhere of how often and how long they've been humiliating themselves.

It's tough for members of this forum to appreciate what it's like over at the other place ... and trust me ... you really don't want to. You just can't imagine the hysteria, the crying, the emotionalism ... and that's from the guys.

So please indulge me ... but I just love to sock it to 'em.

SCUDSBROTHER · #8 07-15-2006, 06:36 PM

Joey you got any comments on your boy LITF?A year ago, you thought he was the HORSE JESUS.

ateamstupid · #9 07-15-2006, 06:45 PM

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Joey you got any comments on your boy LITF?A year ago, you thought he was the HORSE JESUS.

Good one. Actually, all I did last year was defend him to the people like you who did nothing but try to knock an undefeated horse.

I really don't care whether he wins or loses. I said in the other thread I thought he was very beatable today and I was right.

SCUDSBROTHER · #10 07-15-2006, 06:51 PM

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Good one. Actually, all I did last year was defend him to the people like you who did nothing but try to knock an undefeated horse.

I really don't care whether he wins or loses. I said in the other thread I thought he was very beatable today and I was right.

JOEY,you would have picked the corn from his waste.

ateamstupid · #11 07-15-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

JOEY,you would have picked the corn from his waste.

Righty-o..

Rupert Pupkin · #12 07-15-2006, 06:51 PM

It doesn't do much good to judge a horse on a day that he doesn't fire. LITF obviously did not run anything close to his best today. I'm not surprised. I thought he trained sore before his last race. I thought he would lose that day. I was totally surprised that he won that day.
In addition, Gilchrist has admitted that the horse has some physical problems this year that he didn't have last year. They were considering retiring him last month. His race today doesn't prove anything. He was obviously hurting today. I think there is a good chance this will be his last race.
I'm not saying that LITF is that great of a horse. I'm just saying that I wouldn't judge him based on today's performance, a day that he obviously did not fire. I think he's a very good horse but not incredible. If he ran his best and faced a healthy Ghostzapper at 7 furlongs, GZ would kill him.

ArlJim78 · #13 07-15-2006, 07:29 PM

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It doesn't do much good to judge a horse on a day that he doesn't fire. LITF obviously did not run anything close to his best today. I'm not surprised. I thought he trained sore before his last race. I thought he would lose that day. I was totally surprised that he won that day.
In addition, Gilchrist has admitted that the horse has some physical problems this year that he didn't have last year. They were considering retiring him last month. His race today doesn't prove anything. He was obviously hurting today. I think there is a good chance this will be his last race.

He runs his best against weaker fields when he can comfortably assume the lead on the turn. Whenever he has real quality sprinters on his inside that make him fight for the lead he folds up or as you say, he doesn't fire. I've not heard about these supposed physical problems and I don't buy it. If he is obviously hurting and has physical problems why are they racing him against hard knockers like the field today? In todays DRF the quote from Gilchrist is "But the way he won the Aristides I'd say he's just as good now as he was when he came here last year". Sounds confident to me.

DerbyCat · #14 07-15-2006, 07:40 PM

I don't want to simplify this too much but... this is a horse that likes the lead, if he doesn't have it and gets dirt kicked in his face, he slows down to get away from it - end of story. He will only win small field races like he'll find in California. He may run another race or two here in CA but I would guess he'll go to stud before the end of the year... anyone disagree?

SCUDSBROTHER · #15 07-15-2006, 07:56 PM

Just think he didn't care for the track(like a lot of them today.)

Rupert Pupkin · #16 07-16-2006, 02:10 AM

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He runs his best against weaker fields when he can comfortably assume the lead on the turn. Whenever he has real quality sprinters on his inside that make him fight for the lead he folds up or as you say, he doesn't fire. I've not heard about these supposed physical problems and I don't buy it. If he is obviously hurting and has physical problems why are they racing him against hard knockers like the field today? In todays DRF the quote from Gilchrist is "But the way he won the Aristides I'd say he's just as good now as he was when he came here last year". Sounds confident to me.

Trainers don't make up stories about their horses having problems. It's just the opposite. They will usually claim that their horse is sound even if the horse is very unsound. In this case, Gilchrist admitted flat out that the horse has got alot of physical problems this year. You obviously have not read the interviews with Gilchrist. I'm sure you didn't know that they were thinking about retiring him if he didn't win the race in Kentucky. The quote that you read was positive, but you need to listen to everything they say. I would expect him to say positive things about his horse. These trainers will very rarely say anything negative about their horses. You have to listen carefully for any clue they may give you. In this case, it wasn't so subtle. Gilchrist flat out said that the horse a lot of problmes this year and that they were thinking about retiring him.
Even before I read the interview, I knew the horse was not right this year because I saw him galloping sore in the morning. I couldn't believe that he ran so well in Kentucky. I guess Gilchrist managed to get one last good race out of him.
You asked why they would run the horse in a tough race if he has problems. Trainers do it all the time. You never know for sure how a hurt horse will run, until you try it. You should have seen the ankle on Bandidni before the Ky Derby. He had a huge ankle on him, but Plethcer took a shot and ran him any way. In that case, it didn't work. Baffert ran Forrest Camp with a huge ankle in the Del Mar Furturity. One of my trainers could not believe that the horse was running on that ankle. He ended up winning the race easily but that was the last race of his career.
Anyway, LITF had nothing today. He didn't even show any speed. You know there's something wrong when he doesn't even show any speed. He even showed speed in the BC Sprint.

Rupert Pupkin · #17 07-16-2006, 02:31 AM

LITF's record speaks for itself. He won 10 races in a row and has won either 6 or 7 graded stakes races. When you have 11 wins from 14 lifetime starts including 6 or 7 graded stakes wins, you know you have a pretty special horse.
I'm not a huge LITF fan either. We tend to like the horses that we have made money on. I've never made any money on LITF. I rarely bet favorites, and I have never bet on LITF. I've bet against him a few times and I usually got burned because he usually beat me. He's a tough horse. I have a lot of respect for him. I thought it was amazing how he kept winning last year despite the fact that they kept shipping him all over the place. He really only ran in two easy spots all year. He had those two easy races in Northern California, but aside from that he was shipping all over the country running in graded stakes races. If what he did last year was not impressive, then I'd like to know what is. I'd like someone to name me a horse who has had a more impressive campaign the last few years than that. I don't know if there are any. If there are, you can count them on one hand.

Gander · #18 07-16-2006, 06:22 AM

Three nice horses who like this track(E Breeze,L M Alone,and LITF)

Scuds- Leave Me Alone hasnt won a race since the Test at Saratoga almost 1year ago, shes had 7 or 8 tries. Her form the last couple months has been an utter mess. Shes lost miserably at Belmont, Churchill and now Calder in her last 3.

Not sure about the other 2 hosses you mentioned but Leave Me Alone needs a vacation, its not the track.

horseofcourse · #19 07-16-2006, 07:31 AM

I'd have to say BB is wrong in this case. This horse was simply the best 3 year old sprinter in the world last year and never lost to another 3 year old until the BC Classic. Most horses are frauds. Silver Train can't run away from Belmont Park, he is even skipping SAratoga this year. I call him more of a fraud then Lost in the Fog. Lava Man is a fraud. He can't run away from California. Perfect Drift is a fraud, he rarely wins. Funny Cide is a fraud, he rarely wins any more. Songster is a fraud. He can't run in slop. Bernardini is a fraud. He rarely runs and got beat his first out proving his frauddom. Secretariat was a fraud, who got exposed by Jerkins twice showing what a fraud he was. Mayan King is a fraud, he finished 13th of 13 in freaking Iowa. Brass Hat is a fraud, he is hurt again. Bold Ruler especially was a fraud, nice race in the biggest race in America. He failed miserably on the biggest stage in America just as Fog did. His other races carrying 800 lbs simply don't matter. Scratch them.

Every single thoroughbred is a fraud BB, it can be proven by me over and over by virtually anyone. You think this is superior thought process you are using here to make people mad. Wow, scintillating! Your useless whining about your genius is stupid and insane. It seems you are more obsessed with the people on the other forum than we are with you!

SentToStud · #20 07-16-2006, 07:44 AM

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I'd have to say BB is wrong in this case. This horse was simply the best 3 year old sprinter in the world last year and never lost to another 3 year old until the BC Classic. Most horses are frauds. Silver Train can't run away from Belmont Park, he is even skipping SAratoga this year. I call him more of a fraud then Lost in the Fog. Lava Man is a fraud. He can't run away from California. Perfect Drift is a fraud, he rarely wins. Funny Cide is a fraud, he rarely wins any more. Songster is a fraud. He can't run in slop. Bernardini is a fraud. He rarely runs and got beat his first out proving his frauddom. Secretariat was a fraud, who got exposed by Jerkins twice showing what a fraud he was. Mayan King is a fraud, he finished 13th of 13 in freaking Iowa. Brass Hat is a fraud, he is hurt again. Bold Ruler especially was a fraud, nice race in the biggest race in America. He failed miserably on the biggest stage in America just as Fog did. His other races carrying 800 lbs simply don't matter. Scratch them.

Every single thoroughbred is a fraud BB, it can be proven by me over and over by virtually anyone. You think this is superior thought process you are using here to make people mad. Wow, scintillating! Your useless whining about your genius is stupid and insane. It seems you are more obsessed with the people on the other forum than we are with you!

Well said and of course BB is wrong. He never has offered an original thought and just revels in narrow world of self-proclaimed superiority. At some point, save Personal Ensign, they ALL lose. You, now it, I know it, everyone knows it. This guy just revels in looking baackwards and finding a way to proclaim himself a genius. Noone buys his act.