Done till Spa. F horse racing

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Kitan

I don't agree. The same thing happens in Australia, where they run at infinite tracks a week.

I mentioned this (why the rule needs to be re-looked at and its implementation elsewhere) in another thread:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...6138&page=5#82 (also posts 80 and 83)

I saw your posting the other thread and still disagree. Please tell me how this would work in this scenario given that we have no central authority. Let’s use Saez as an example. He is banned 10 days , 20 days from Churchill Downs? Even if he rode at Churchill regularly it is the Kentucky Derby a once in a lifetime win for most. How many would gladly trade a 30 day vacation for that. In your scenario it works because of the structure in place in those countries.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Yes, but Long Range Toddy was probably done any way. He was already fading. He finished 16th. If it wasn't for the incident where does he finish? If he wouldn't have come in the top 5, then you can't disqualify the winner. You can only DQ a horse if he costs another horse a better placing in the money. I think the only horse that MS could have or should have been DQ'd for fouling would be War of Will.

It's pretty hard to guess where Long Range Toddy would have finished, but Jon Court thought he had plenty of horse left and plenty of momentum:

https://www.horseracingnation.com/ne...m_jockeys_123#

If you don't trust Court's opinion, then look at this video--there's no sign (to me at least) that Long Range Toddy is fading. He's right up there with those chasing Maximum Security until the incident. And after the incident he's 5-6 lengths behind. There's no question he lost all chance because of the incident.

https://twitter.com/CarsoniPH/status...28240144457730

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by jms62

I saw your posting the other thread and still disagree. Please tell me how this would work in this scenario given that we have no central authority. Let’s use Saez as an example. He is banned 10 days , 20 days from Churchill Downs? Even if he rode at Churchill regularly it is the Kentucky Derby a once in a lifetime win for most. How many would gladly trade a 30 day vacation for that. In your scenario it works because of the structure in place in those countries.

Why can't there be a reform and build a central authority? All the counterpoints I've read are basically showing the flaws in the North American system compared to the organization in other major jurisdictions. Sure, they have their own flaws, but much fewer and less major. And, this would then make things uniform globally!

I rarely hear about jockey suspensions in USA, and I'm not up to speed with the latest ones. But, the 25 day ban of the Australian jockey that I mentioned in the other thread prevented him from riding an odds-on fav in an international G1 in Hong Kong, let alone G1s in his own country. If Saez was banned from CD, would he be allowed to ride elsewhere?

[Gate Dancer]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

It's pretty hard to guess where Long Range Toddy would have finished, but Jon Court thought he had plenty of horse left and plenty of momentum:

https://www.horseracingnation.com/ne...m_jockeys_123#

If you don't trust Court's opinion, then look at this video--there's no sign (to me at least) that Long Range Toddy is fading. He's right up there with those chasing Maximum Security until the incident. And after the incident he's 5-6 lengths behind. There's no question he lost all chance because of the incident.

https://twitter.com/CarsoniPH/status...28240144457730

It's hard to convince me that LRT had plenty left. Watch his Arkansas Derby and see how he finished that race when it looked like he was in prime position..............

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

It's pretty hard to guess where Long Range Toddy would have finished, but Jon Court thought he had plenty of horse left and plenty of momentum:

https://www.horseracingnation.com/ne...m_jockeys_123#

If you don't trust Court's opinion, then look at this video--there's no sign (to me at least) that Long Range Toddy is fading. He's right up there with those chasing Maximum Security until the incident. And after the incident he's 5-6 lengths behind. There's no question he lost all chance because of the incident.

https://twitter.com/CarsoniPH/status...28240144457730

LRT definitely checked pretty hard and was much further back after the incident. But it looked like he was already being passed on both sides. Don't get me wrong. I don't think anyone can say with 100% certainty that he couldn't have run 5th if he hadn't checked hard. But I would say it is very unlikely.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Kitan

Why can't there be a reform and build a central authority? All the counterpoints I've read are basically showing the flaws in the North American system compared to the organization in other major jurisdictions. Sure, they have their own flaws, but much fewer and less major. And, this would then make things uniform globally!

I rarely hear about jockey suspensions in USA, and I'm not up to speed with the latest ones. But, the 25 day ban of the Australian jockey that I mentioned in the other thread prevented him from riding an odds-on fav in an international G1 in Hong Kong, let alone G1s in his own country. If Saez was banned from CD, would he be allowed to ride elsewhere?

I asked how it would work given the current state and you countered by offering a solution that would require a complete overhaul that isn’t happening anytime soon if ever. That is the unfortunate reality and the reasons why would completely derail this thread. It would be a question you should ask of someone much smarter than myself like Steve. My simple take is Horse Racing has been operating in survival mode for years now with some jurisdictions stronger than
others. I don’t see them willing to cede power or dollars for the overall betterment of the sport. Those in power still operate like it is 1965 and they are the only game in town. Hopefully when they pass the torch to the younger generation new ideas are infused to overhaul it but that probably will be at a point where many of us are gone or betting on a much tighter budget.