Zito Comes to His Senses

randallscott35 · #1 10-02-2006, 09:50 PM

Says he may well start Sun King on Saturday which is what he should've done all along. This, for my money, gives him a chance back in the BCC. Training up to it would've been a mistake.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #2 10-02-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Says he may well start Sun King on Saturday which is what he should've done all along. This, for my money, gives him a chance back in the BCC. Training up to it would've been a mistake.

H e l l yeah...

I hope he goes if he isn't too tired. If all systems are go with Sun King here's a shout out:

RUN THE HORSE ZITO!!!.

I don't that that training him up to the BCC would have necessarily hindered his chances in the race if he was already tired. I've become quite a fan of Sun King.

blackthroatedwind · #3 10-02-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Says he may well start Sun King on Saturday which is what he should've done all along. This, for my money, gives him a chance back in the BCC. Training up to it would've been a mistake.

He didn't say he was running him....he said he might.

#4 10-02-2006, 10:00 PM

Well there goes any chance of the exotics paying over $10

randallscott35 · #5 10-02-2006, 10:02 PM

Yes Blackthroat, that's I said he "may well be" running....I thought he would when Invasor went out. Odds he runs. 80/20.

blackthroatedwind · #6 10-02-2006, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Yes Blackthroat, that's I said he "may well be" running....I thought he would when Invasor went out. Odds he runs. 80/20.

I understand what you said but you also titled the thread " Zito comes to his senses ". 80/20? I don't know. I talked to him last night. He's certainly thinking about it.

randallscott35 · #7 10-02-2006, 10:05 PM

Bernardini doesn't have to win this. I still think 10 panels is not Sun King's game, but they don't have a flat mile race in the BC which is what they should have.

randallscott35 · #8 10-02-2006, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I understand what you said but you also titled the thread " Zito comes to his senses ". 80/20? I don't know. I talked to him last night. He's certainly thinking about it.

I hear ya, just a guess on the odds. Lot of money out there.

1st_Saturday_in_May · #9 10-02-2006, 10:02 PM

I dont know. Horse fires big every other time and last time in the Woodward was one of his off efforts. He'll run big in the JCGC but wont be as tough in the Classic. I wanna play him in the Classic real bad, esp. if Ball Four runs, so I say keep him out. Save him for Churchill!

Seattleallstar · #10 10-02-2006, 10:05 PM

Sun King is a loser defintely doesnt have the class to compete with the best

Slewstoo · #11 10-03-2006, 08:39 AM

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Sun King is a loser defintely doesnt have the class to compete with the best

Don't be stupid...this horse has done nothing but compete with the "class" of the east coast all year long. To say he's a loser is asinine.

tycharles01 · #12 10-02-2006, 10:19 PM

The JCGC seems to me like a big moneymaker.

Bernardini is goin to be 3/5 or 4/5 and although tons of people dont think he needs/wants to be on the lead, he will be pushing the rabbit Spanish Chestnut for the first 7/7.5f. Guys like it or not Spanish Chestnut only has 1 job and that is to get out there and run like he is running a sprint,and Bernardini is not gonna like being far back,and if Chestnut runs the fractions they want him to you could finally see Bernardini dying in the stretch. (Note-Even tho this is not the best field, there will be no Double Galore,High Finance,or Hemingway's Key run against him going into the stretch)

Now I like Sun King alot,however like most say this is not his distance and if there are 9 or 10 horses in the race he might have a hard trip to the front. Def should catch alot of horses tiring with the pace tho

West Virginia might be a nice play after this is all said and done

kentuckyrosesinmay · #13 10-02-2006, 10:21 PM

I nominate Spanish Chestnut for the most mismanaged horse of all time award. He can share it with Going Wild.

Seriously, poor Spanish Chestnut. This could have been a really nice horse...

Seattleallstar · #14 10-02-2006, 10:32 PM

im with you there Jess, poor Spanish Chestnut. This horse could of been a brillant 7f, 1m horse on either surface.

tycharles01 · #15 10-02-2006, 10:36 PM

Well at least 1 thing

Spanish Chestnut and Dylan Thomas will be coupled so only have to remember 1 number not to WPS instead of 2

#16 10-02-2006, 11:36 PM

I can't blame him...with Invasor out now he could definately be second in the race...you'll need a private detective to find Dylan Thomas on the dirt in my opinion...he won't factor...

Sun King is the class and style to be second here behind the great one...why not? Second in a Grade 1, $750,000 is pretty darn good....

ateamstupid · #17 10-03-2006, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tycharles01

The JCGC seems to me like a big moneymaker.

Bernardini is goin to be 3/5 or 4/5 and although tons of people dont think he needs/wants to be on the lead, he will be pushing the rabbit Spanish Chestnut for the first 7/7.5f. Guys like it or not Spanish Chestnut only has 1 job and that is to get out there and run like he is running a sprint,and Bernardini is not gonna like being far back,and if Chestnut runs the fractions they want him to you could finally see Bernardini dying in the stretch. (Note-Even tho this is not the best field, there will be no Double Galore,High Finance,or Hemingway's Key run against him going into the stretch)

Now I like Sun King alot,however like most say this is not his distance and if there are 9 or 10 horses in the race he might have a hard trip to the front. Def should catch alot of horses tiring with the pace tho

West Virginia might be a nice play after this is all said and done

Bernardini is not going to like being far back? And you know this, how? Did you two share a brew the other day or something?

9 or 10 horses? There are going to be five or six horses in this race, MAXIMUM.

Nostradamus · #18 10-03-2006, 06:06 AM

Why wouldn't he run him? If he can't run second or third here he doesn't belong in the BC.

boswd · #19 10-03-2006, 10:52 AM

I don't know, I just have this feeling Sun King is ready to roll with a 1 1/4. I went back and watched that Whitney race and the Woodward again and he does not look like a horse that was ready to spent after a 1 and 1/8. He looked like he was ready to keep charging away.
but we'll see. I think Sun King will be quite a handfull for Bernardini.

#20 10-03-2006, 11:22 AM

The perception that igonrant folks carry that he is a hanger is ridiculous.
I mean Invasor was being heralded as the only horse who could beat bernadini, and he beat him a nose. So basically you are talking about inches being the difference in the total perception of both horses. Since Invasor has only one loss on his dancecard, I'd say that qulaifies him as a super game animal.
In his Met Mile loss he was beaten a head by a horse whose won photo after photo at the highest level of competition and has shown to be an incredibly game animal.
Those two narrow losses to top notch horses do not make him a hanger in my book. What they make him is a horse capable of fantastic efforts when the race unfolds as preferable to his running style.
Hangers are horses who get beat time and time again regardless of trip and the figure the race comes up with. And I know i will be castrated by his fans, but Perfect Drift would come to mind these days as a textbook example. Hes consistently 2nd or 3rd regardless of what the pace is, and what the final figure of the race is.
If you think that had Invasor or Silver Train not been in those races, that Sun King would have pulled himself up and not won, I have a bridge to sell you.
What he is an unlucky horse. I've seen quiet a few of those in my life and like to think I know the difference. Medaglia was probably the most unlucky horse I ever saw. His 2nd place finishes were almost always to horses who freaked out and ran crazy figures that they never ran close to before or after, or in Perfectly Pleasant's case, a horse who was scary good for 4-6 months in his life.
Candy Ride(Pac Classic), Sarava(Belmont), Buddha(wood), Volponi(Classic) all ran races that they had never run before and never after by huge margins. medag was just an unlucky horse and the notion that he was a hanger was adsurd as evidenced by his many great wins.
Some horses are just unlucky and part of Sun King's poor luck is his running style which inhibits him in many races. But his Commonwealth race(in addition to his other wins) shoud really be watched again by anyone who thinks hes a hanger. Racing against a HUGE speed bias(its the day sinister minister won, and people tried to use Sun King's win as proof their wasn't a bias because they were too dumb to look at all the other races and see that Sun King's performance was just incredible kinda like Watchmaker tried to use Anees closing win on a ridiculous speed biased BC day at Gulf as proof their wasn't a bias that day

) he powered past the leaders like a runaway train on a track that heavily favored speed at a distance that wasn't optimal to him.