Dullahan - Page 2

jms62 · #21 05-06-2012, 10:09 AM

Note to self. Auto-Toss winners of New York Derby preps until I get beat.

NTamm1215 · #22 05-06-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

the race I saw the simple fact was Trinniberg couldn't keep up with Bodemeister, he did it on his own...the pace. I don't care what anyone said afterwards, it was no factor in the race. No Trinniberg, same pace for Bodemeister as Hansen and Take Charge Indy run closer to Bodemeister to keep him from getting away and exact same fractions occur. Exact.

It's the simple narrative that is easy to go to in this race and I feel it doesn't fit what happened.

This notion that because Mike Smith says he was within himself means that Trinniberg not being there wouldn't have mattered is NONSENSE.

If Trinniberg is not in the race, Bodemeister does not have to go 45 and 1/5 to get a clear lead, and he doesn't have to shade 1:10 to stay in front. Take Trinniberg out and he would have had a comfortable lead over Hansen going a bit slower at each point of call.

When speed horses get clear leads, that does not mean that they suddenly lose any excuse for losing. Using that ridiculously flawed logic, you will hold losing against a speed horse with complete disregard for the pace they set.

Travis Stone · #23 05-06-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62

Note to self. Auto-Toss winners of New York Derby preps until I get beat.

There were a lot of total non-efforts from a lot of horses yesterday. Very few legitimate horses from the spring even put in a hint of a run.

Indian Charlie · #24 05-06-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62

Note to self. Auto-Toss winners of New York Derby preps until I get beat.

I don't know man, Eskenderaya and I Want Revenge would have been pretty live.

I think the winner of the Wood last year got hurt as well.

Keep in mind that Gemologist had his hands full with the likes of Alpha, which didn't really bode well for his chances yesterday.

jms62 · #25 05-06-2012, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I don't know man, Eskenderaya and I Want Revenge would have been pretty live.

I think the winner of the Wood last year got hurt as well.

Keep in mind that Gemologist had his hands full with the likes of Alpha, which didn't really bode well for his chances yesterday.

It is simply a way for me to ride the trend and eliminate a few lower odds horses. When I get beat I will start including them. Some may think it is absurd but thats fine.

MaTH716 · #26 05-06-2012, 10:39 AM

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Note to self. Auto-Toss winners of New York Derby preps until I get beat.

Yeah, but truthfully haven't people been saying that about the California contingents the last few years?

jms62 · #27 05-06-2012, 10:50 AM

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Yeah, but truthfully haven't people been saying that about the California contingents the last few years?

For me that changed when they went back to dirt...

10 pnt move up · #28 05-06-2012, 10:55 AM

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For me that changed when they went back to dirt...

No it didn't, you claimed but 2 months ago that the California races/horses were "completely irrelevant" to the triple crown?

Now your saying since they switched to dirt you think they are relevant, which happened long before the San Vincente.

Indian Charlie · #29 05-06-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62

It is simply a way for me to ride the trend and eliminate a few lower odds horses. When I get beat I will start including them. Some may think it is absurd but thats fine.

That's fine, but the three previous winners were all injured.

Gemologist, while possible, seemed up against it. Tale of Ekati and Slobiz were hopeless.

aaronrodgers · #30 05-06-2012, 11:22 AM

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I agree on LePeaux, I think he's the worst big name jock going, but he rode Union Rags, not WTDW.

I was should've been more clear. I was talking about to different horses. My Bad.

jms62 · #31 05-06-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

No it didn't, you claimed but 2 months ago that the California races/horses were "completely irrelevant" to the triple crown?

Now your saying since they switched to dirt you think they are relevant, which happened long before the San Vincente.

Dude.... Really????? This game is fluid if you know what I mean. Anyone that forms an opinion 2 months back and sticks to that opinion when subsequent events dictate otherwise is pretty much an idiot.... That was my opinion for that period of time. I am a lot of things but an idiot is not one of them. Do you form an opinion and stick to it regardless of what subsequent races show you?

Indian Charlie · #32 05-06-2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

Dude.... Really????? This game is fluid if you know what I mean. Anyone that forms an opinion 2 months back and sticks to that opinion when subsequent events dictate otherwise is pretty much an idiot.... That was my opinion for that period of time. I am a lot of things but an idiot is not one of them. Do you form an opinion and stick to it regardless of what subsequent races show you?

You shouldn't underestimate yourself!

Totally J/K.

jms62 · #33 05-06-2012, 12:17 PM

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You shouldn't underestimate yourself!

Totally J/K.

On second thought based upon my play friday and saturday I want to retract my statement.

golfer · #34 05-06-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

That's fine, but the three previous winners were all injured.

Gemologist, while possible, seemed up against it. Tale of Ekati and Slobiz were hopeless.

Slobiz was hopeless??? You tell me this now?

Rupert Pupkin · #35 05-06-2012, 12:43 PM

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Doug if Bode and the winner go on to Pimlico, Bode is chalk, right?

Bodemeister will probably be 6-5 in the Preakness if he runs. I think the chances of him running are probably about 50/50. He ran awfully hard. I think it would make more sense to give him a break and point for races like the Haskell and BC Classic.

Indian Charlie · #36 05-06-2012, 12:44 PM

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Slobiz was hopeless??? You tell me this now?

I thought I was pretty vocal about that!

NTamm1215 · #37 05-06-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Bodemeister will probably be 6-5 in the Preakness if he runs. I think the chances of him running are probably about 50/50. He ran awfully hard. I think it would make more sense to give him a break and point for races like the Haskell and BC Classic.

6/5? Absolutely no chance.

golfer · #38 05-06-2012, 12:49 PM

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I thought I was pretty vocal about that!

Maybe, but I must have had you on ignore back then

Rupert Pupkin · #39 05-06-2012, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

6/5? Absolutely no chance.

That might be a little low. I guess it depends on whether horses like Union Rags and some of the others show up. But no matter who shows up, I don't think he goes off higher than 2-1.

Indian Charlie · #40 05-06-2012, 12:55 PM

I have no feel whatsoever for what the odds would be on Bodemeister in the Preakness.

I could see him 3/5 or 5/2.

I'd much rather see him go to the Belmont.