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Old 11-22-2011, 06:25 PM
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Awesome...I thought he only lived on through Coach's Zentard avy
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Old 11-22-2011, 06:26 PM
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yeah.. going 44 / 1.08 and change..
That is wicked fast. What would those figures be in beyer speed? The fastest ever?
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Old 11-23-2011, 04:05 AM
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I believe Relaunch set the fractions in that race

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDbOyu5tTF4
Only 3 rivals in that race ... but three quality ones anyway.

* Flying Paster's form going into the Kentucky Derby off of back to back blowout Grade 1 wins.




* Valdez was 3rd beaten 12+ lengths. He was a Grade 1 winner with five Graded Stakes wins on dirt.




* Relaunch was 4th after setting the sharp pace. He was 2nd to John Henry going 12fs on Turf a month later. Relaunch sired a Breeders Cup Classic winner - A Breeders Cup Distaff winner - and was also the dam sire of BC Classic winner Ghostzapper and grandsire of BC Classic winner Tiznow.
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Old 11-23-2011, 04:12 AM
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That is wicked fast. What would those figures be in beyer speed? The fastest ever?
Believe it or not -- it was not even Spectacular Bid's best Ragozin figure.

In his 3rd to final start -- he won a rich handicap race going 9fs at Arlington Park under 130lbs in track record time of 1:46.20

A horse named Architect -- who was voted Illinois Horse of the Year -- and a winner of 13 of 24 lifetime races including several Graded Stakes wins -- was 3rd beaten 18 lengths while carrying 11 less pounds that day in a field of six. The 2nd place finisher was also a multiple Graded Stakes winner who earned over 400K in the late 70's and 1980.

Bid broke his own record for the fastest Ragozin figure ever with that race -- and it stood for over 22 years.

Beyers weren't published at the time.
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Old 11-23-2011, 04:50 PM
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Old 11-23-2011, 05:23 PM
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I love how everyone keeps quoting Citation's 19 wins as the record. What is the timeframe this is supposed to cover? I know some horses won more at the very end of the 19th century. Check Imp's record.
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Old 11-24-2011, 04:02 AM
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I love how everyone keeps quoting Citation's 19 wins as the record. What is the timeframe this is supposed to cover? I know some horses won more at the very end of the 19th century. Check Imp's record.
Here's another. I'm sure there are probably others.


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Old 11-24-2011, 05:13 AM
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Here's another. I'm sure there are probably others.


Sure, that's an impressive record, but look at the $$ he made. Who was he beating?

Plus, this "Iron horse" had 2 full years of rest during his career... In 91 and 98 he was obviously ducking some stronger competition.
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Old 11-24-2011, 05:27 AM
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Sure, that's an impressive record, but look at the $$ he made. Who was he beating?
Inflation is a bitch.


Here is a horse from 1913 who not only won 22 races in a season -- but was actually the leading money winning older horse for the entire year:





Here's a 3-year-old who won 18 races in one season -- one less than Citation:

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Old 11-24-2011, 07:00 AM
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Donald MacDonald (a gelding shipping from Santa Anita) was 3rd in the 1909 Belmont Stakes at age 3.




Here are a couple of cuts of his form from his 22 win season in 1913:







He raced long enough that he won a race at age 12.

I can't find his career record -- but I'm guessing he probably started several hundred times and won a great many races. 22 wins in one year is the best I've found for a horse who raced in the early 1900's.
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Old 11-24-2011, 09:15 AM
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Inflation is a bitch.


Here is a horse from 1913 who not only won 22 races in a season -- but was actually the leading money winning older horse for the entire year:





Here's a 3-year-old who won 18 races in one season -- one less than Citation:

How about Whisk Broom with a perfect 1913?
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Old 11-24-2011, 09:21 AM
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How about Whisk Broom with a perfect 1913?
He won the Suburban Handicap at Belmont Park in 2:00 flat.

Pretty fast time for a 10 furlong race on dirt one-hundred years ago.

Sweep was the Broodmare sire of two Triple Crown winners (Whirlaway and War Admirel) -- he was the 3yo money leader in 1910 despite just five races.
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Old 11-25-2011, 03:51 PM
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Maybe they can give RR this one...

http://www.secretariat.com/fan-club/vox-populi-award/
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