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Big difference between Pletcher's "whiff" mepivicaine positive and the high levels of multiple Assmussen offenses. They are not the same. They both do not deserve the same spewing and vitriol. That's where the difference lays for me. Not in the name or previous rep as you assume.
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If this is the drug, they are nebulizing as close to walkover to the pre-race holding as possible (as the drug effect is so short). I can only think they would be trying to give COPD horses an advantage after their pre-race clenbuterol withdrawal, but it sure wouldn't be much with this. BTW, this drug has been shown not to have any change on exercise ability. It's not much alone.
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These discussions are circular at best for a variety of reasons. Let me preface my comments by saying I am defending no one. Period. I am in this for the sport, for the game that I am passionate about.
So, you have the label of "cheater" -- Dutrow being mentioned here. You want to call him a cheater, OK. Who is next? The next guy comes up positive one time, for X, is he a cheater? I'll bet to some people he is and to others he's not. I'll also bet it has something to do with "I met him and he's a nice guy" or "my friend has horses with him and says he's a super guy" and everything else along those lines. Next -- two positives? Three? The label is part of the problem here. Clenbuterol? Etorphine? Something really exotic? With Dutrow, or some of the other "bad guys" -- there is never an excuse. Never. It's not allowed. It's a burn them at the stake mentality. But when one of the nice guys comes up positive, every excuse in the world is put forth. It's natural, we defend who we like, care about, etc. Sometimes we see the same thing with victimization. We've seen this time and time again. Some people have asked for unform medication rules -- how about uniform prosecution, persecution, penalization or whatever else is going to happen in this sport? Eric |
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(If only sheet numbers were that accurate ... we'd all have a much higher win percentage
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I agree with your point, absolutely. However, I don't think it can be a shield and sword position. Eric |
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For the most part, I still think in this business there is a "where there's smoke, there's fire" mentality. Eric |
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Can you imagine if Dutrow had the kind of Saratoga meet Linda Rice did and then went as cold as a block of ice at Belmont? Love the excuses made for her too, like the lack of turf sprints at Belmont Park. As if 48 races arent enough. |
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No comment on Brilliant Son Chuck? He seemed finished when he left you....
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Thank you. This is more about mindset than it is about anything else. A couple of years ago, Bill Mott was leading trainer at the Spa. He had a super meet, shot a really strong win % number by the end of the meet. I think he won between 25 and 30 races, with about 90 to 100 starts maybe. Anyway, hHe strolls into Belmont and starts off with something like 0 for 20. Later is something like 1 for 25 and ends up with 2 or 3 from 30-35. I don't remember the details. You should have heard the talk, reasons, excuses, etc. Eric |
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I have no agenda.. Dutrow career is not a product of simply juicing horses. We all have seen juiced horses run we know what they look like.. I could name a few and even more then a few from alledgely squeaky clean trainers. Dutrow has had his fair share. Would A Rod still have been a great hitter without steriods? Would Ben Johnson still have been super fast? Its a performance industry not a professional law firm. It is no more or less morally bankrupt then Baseball , Football or Cycling etc. I hope one day you enjoy the success that any hard working professional is worthy of. Clearly denying on Dutrow's tremendous success and alluded to it as DrugS Driven is quite suspect. Again, I make absolutely no excuses for his medication violations as they are real and wrong! The fastest kid on the football team could be the fast kid with or without cheating. Dutrow got busted a few times for violating certain protocol doesn't mean he isnt brilliant. |
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In his case his horses were winning at a ridiculous rate of 50%(maybe higher I don't have the exact % needless to say it was eye catching) up until that horse tested positive, one of the leading Trainer's at the time was Scott Farlie who was winning at a mere 20% in comparison, there is no way a Trainer should be that far ahead statistically given a genuine sampling of horses running. Last edited by CSC : 11-24-2009 at 01:27 PM. |
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It's a generalization that's made that's unfair IMO and the more it's propagated, specifically by bringing in a trainer with a clean record like was done in this thread (Calhoun), the worse it will get. NT |
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Short acting bronchodialoters are not only performance enhancing but show absolute intent. These weren't mistakes. The only mistake was getting caught. |
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Further, it would bother me as a trainer if someone pulls the "we did some shoeing and worming and look what happened," if I trained the horse legit....I would rather have my horses trained by Chuck than Kiaran...I guess that doesn't help your argument much.
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