MA casino lean likely dooms Suffolk (Update: Deal set for 2015-16)

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by richard burch

i don't know why it means the "end". It will take some creative and commited help to stay racing but it can be done.

I will use this man as a great example of how to get it done right.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Gural

He's a preening schmoe and complete phony.

[saratogadew]

That's a shock to me. Steve, I don't doubt you on this. As an outsider, I always thought he was good for harness racing. Ive been to Tioga Downs, which is a nice, smaller size type racino. When he took over the Med, built the new facility, I thought it was a good thing. Is he just all about the slot dollars? Was the new Med facility only built to try and attract slots there? Give me the lowdown on this guy???

[Kasept]

Everything he does is a posture designed to provide an image of someone trying valiantly to preserve harness racing when in fact all he really wants are casino licenses. He's a self indulgent bully. Joe Faraldo called it right on him from day one and has run rings around him.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

He's a preening schmoe and complete phony.

Not a bad bio for a schmo?

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Not a bad bio for a schmo?

note all his work for charity.... the boss is right as usual,

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

note all his work for charity.... the boss is right as usual,

I dont know the guy from Adam but he certainly has a very successful career to date. Doesnt mean he is the salt of the earth but doesnt appear to be a stooge either. Steve is more likely right then wrong especially if he feels so strongly about him. My point was just to add a bit of balance, he isnt without business skills

[jms62]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I dont know the guy from Adam but he certainly has a very successful career to date. Doesnt mean he is the salt of the earth but doesnt appear to be a stooge either. Steve is more likely right then wrong especially if he feels so strongly about him. My point was just to add a bit of balance, he isnt without business skills

That is the fundamental difference between you and Steve. He measures a man's worth by his character.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by jms62

That is the fundamental difference between you and Steve. He measures a man's worth by his character.

I dont know his character, as such to measure his worth without knowing him directly is not a practice I am comfortable with. Certainly if you feel you "know" his character you are welcomed to measure this man in any capacity you deem valid. There is no denying his previous business work as immensely successful at least if you define success as profitable. I tend to evaluate business ventures on there success and or failure to produce profit. If you dont or have another definition that serves you so be it.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I dont know his character, as such to measure his worth without knowing him directly is not a practice I am comfortable with. Certainly if you feel you "know" his character you are welcomed to measure this man in any capacity you deem valid. There is no denying his previous business work as immensely successful at least if you define success as profitable. I tend to evaluate business ventures on there success and or failure to produce profit. If you dont or have another definition that serves you so be it.

Well then according to your criteria , Bernie Madoff would rate highly on your scale

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by jms62

Well then according to your criteria , Bernie Madoff would rate highly on your scale

Really. not a fair example Madoff was/is a criminal. Am I to understanding the tenor of your post, you are comparing Madoff to Gural and suggesting that he is a criminal?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Really. not a fair example Madoff was/is a criminal. Am I to understanding the tenor of your post, you are comparing Madoff to Gural and suggesting that he is a criminal?

I am not comparing the 2 but nice try in spinning it. You know what point I was trying to make. I was getting on your case for judging someone's worth by their success in business.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by jms62

I am not comparing the 2 but nice try in spinning it. You know what point I was trying to make. I was getting on your case for judging someone's worth by their success in business.

Madoff was never successful in business as a bank robber is not successful just because he/she haven't been caught. Obviously I don't have any use for criminals nor would I deem such successful in business. Clearly you seem to feel you have knowledge that Gural is a criminal as you have lumped him into a conversation referencing a world class slime . I only acknowledge Gural's immense success as a businessman. I cant speak to him personally, but he has undoubtedly earned a reputation as a titan in the business community. If you have evidence of his criminal behavior I suggest you report it to Governing authorities ASAP. Otherwise just say you don't have a friggin idea who and what he is, save what the public can learn reading about him which is a wonderful wonderful BIO on a truly great business man. Again I dont know him but apparently Steve does and thinks he is a "shmoe"..That's fine with me Steve must really know him, I don't

[jms62]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Madoff was never successful in business as a bank robber is not successful just because he/she haven't been caught. Obviously I don't have any use for criminals nor would I deem such successful in business. Clearly you seem to feel you have knowledge that Gural is a criminal as you have lumped him into a conversation referencing a world class slime . I only acknowledge Gural's immense success as a businessman. I cant speak to him personally, but he has undoubtedly earned a reputation as a titan in the business community. If you have evidence of his criminal behavior I suggest you report it to Governing authorities ASAP. Otherwise just say you don't have a friggin idea who and what he is, save what the public can learn reading about him which is a wonderful wonderful BIO on a truly great business man. Again I dont know him but apparently Steve does and thinks he is a "shmoe"..That's fine with me Steve must really know him, I don't

Please cease with your libelous straw man claim that I called Gural a criminal. On a side topic? Can you name all the trainers you used for your horses?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by jms62

Please cease with your libelous straw man claim that I called Gural a criminal. On a side topic? Can you name all the trainers you used for your horses?

Let's stay on topic when did I say you called Gural a criminal? I said if you had evidence that he was Madoff monster you should report him to governing authorities.

No

[jms62]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Let's stay on topic when did I say you called Gural a criminal? I said if you had evidence that he was Madoff monster you should report him to governing authorities.

No

No? Why is that Freddie? Some "Good Horseman" with Reputations for breaking the rules on the list?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by jms62

No? Why is that Freddie? Some "Good Horseman" with Reputations for breaking the rules on the list?

Bottom line is you stated that Steve judged him which is a poor choice of words as Steve didnt judge him he simple stated his opinion of Gural's horse business practices and that Steve judges people on character and I judge them on their success (money they have made). Nothing could be further from the truth.

[ne to socal]

Epic thread drift! Back on topic...mixed feelings on the Suffolk news.

As much as I would love to see racing stay in New England (almost unbelievable that the region that has the Sox/Pats/Broons/Celts can't have a racetrack), I have a few headscratchers...

1) This is a placeholder deal for 2016, no?

2) I know the land around Suffolk is valuable, but I gotta believe a Gulfstream-like redevelopment using the existing oval would be way way more viable than building a new track.

3) Mass horsemen need a break, admittedly, but I just can't wrap my head around awarding those purse levels to watch a nickle claimer hit 6f in 1:14+.

4) I can't imagine what handle might be...might not even be an issue if it's just a placeholder deal.

Suffolk and Rock were my first tracks, and my old man has run his modest stock there over the past decade so I'd love to see Suffolk carry on. But this seems like one last odd gasp.

[richard burch]

im quite surprised about the J. gural bashing on here. a schmoe?.a criminal?..a phony?


i know that track i go to so often isn't phony and it's not a figment of my imagination. that's the same one that would have closed if he didn't save it.i shake his hand every time i see him. hes always very nice to me.

sure he wants a casino, i'm sure gov christie promised him something in some back door doughnuts and bagels meeting. does who doesn't in the tri state area?

what the hell did he do? it all sounds fishy to me. you know G. Patton was a bully too. but he got it done!

to each his own i guess.


ok so now everyone can tell me how stupid i am. go ahead who is first?

[saratogadew]

Originally Posted by richard burch

im quite surprised about the J. gural bashing on here. a schmoe?.a criminal?..a phony?


i know that track i go to so often isn't phony and it's not a figment of my imagination. that's the same one that would have closed if he didn't save it.i shake his hand every time i see him. hes always very nice to me.

sure he wants a casino, i'm sure gov christie promised him something in some back door doughnuts and bagels meeting. does who doesn't in the tri state area?

what the hell did he do? it all sounds fishy to me. you know G. Patton was a bully too. but he got it done!

to each his own i guess.


ok so now everyone can tell me how stupid i am. go ahead who is first?

You are so stupid!

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by saratogadew

You are so stupid!

thanks.

i replied because he did save the big m and that's what the title of this post referred too. (saving a doomed race track)

those are some serious accusations and harsh names to be called though. i wish someone would be more specific on what he did regarding the Meadowlands because its been quite successful so far.

the fighting with Faraldo is more n.y. related and has been going on for years about drugs and Vernon downs. there are plenty of articles on the web about it. obviously they don't like each other but i see no reason to pick sides and throw Gural under the bus.

owners, trainer and drivers work at his racetracks every day so are all of them Hippocrates? don't see what it has to do with him acquiring the Meadowlands.

i don't think you will find too many people standing outside the track on weekends protesting Mr. Gural's way of doing things. they just want to go out and have some fun.

since iv'e been in contact with him myself for years i guess i'll just ask him myself..