Best Breeder's Cup?

[citycat]

Trying to be objective I would have to say 2000.

Personally it would have to be 1988. I love Personal Ensign.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm a trainer so obviously I have no clue how to handicap or bet. I doubt I will have any 35-1 shots who I absolutely love again though.

Miztecca (sp) Hank? ok second suggestion forget

[cal828]

Not one that I made any money on, but still a visually appealing race was Tiznow's win over the Arc winner Sakhee. I think that was 2001. Best for me betting wise was 2003. Worst might have been 2006. I don't think I cashed a ticket.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Churchill 2000.

Personally. Belmont 2005

2005?? Wasn't that was the year you hammered Beautiful Home everyway possible? I think that was her name??

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GPK

2005?? Wasn't that was the year you hammered Beautiful Home everyway possible? I think that was her name??

Can't believe no 2007 Eng Chan vote from you. Horrible weather?

[Soaring Softly]

I agree about 1988. It was chock full of great races.

But the one I want to throw out there is 1987 at Hollywood Park. There was only two of the races in that year that were notably forgettable. The Juvenile was taken by Success Express (who?) and the Distaff was won by 3-year-old Sachuista. She also beat older in the Spinster at Keeneland....was a very nice filly, but not very memorable. But the other five races that day (that was pre-F&M Turf) were great.

Juvenile Fillies - Epitome (13/1) came from the clouds to run down heavily favored Jeanne Jones right at the wire. It was one of those "crowd is silenced" moments we see from time to time, and boy was the silence deafening!

Sprint - Very Subtle (17/1) just smoked hot-shot Groovy, who has to be the only horse to lose a Breeders Cup race two years in a row at odds-on. I'll still never understand how she went off at that price!

Mile - The first of two consecutive victories by the sparkling Miesque. Boy, did she put on a show!

Turf - Theatrical and Arc-winner Trempolino separate themselves from the field and battle the length of the stretch. It was also a race between the "Pats"....Day and Eddery. More opposite riding styles you'll never see. Theatrical prevailed in a race that I still think is one of the greatest I've ever seen.

Classic - What can you say? 1986 Derby-winner Ferdinand prevailing by a nose, holding off 1987 Derby-winner Alysheba. It was the match-up that everybody wanted to see, and we were not disappointed. Certainly one of the top five Breeders Cup Classics ever!

Any love for 1987?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Can't believe no 2007 Eng Chan vote from you. Horrible weather?

I just assumed that would obviously be my vote.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Trust me, I know Happy Ticket finished 2nd. I pounded that horse WP and and in exactas with just about every horse but Round Pond. Apparently, the prep race for RP was just too bad to be true.

I loved Happy Ticket as a racemare. As honest as they come. Was really sad to see her go early, of all the recent passings that was the one that was the most disappointing to me. She ran her eyeballs everytime they sent her out.

As for that day, she wasn't going to win but that DQ was absolutely the correct call and I'm usually for letting them run. She got knocked offstride really bad, it was right in front of our seats. It was a $4400 decision for me because I didn't have Asi Siempre at all and had Round Pond-Happy Ticket 10 times.

Originally Posted by GPK

I just assumed that would obviously be my vote.

That was the single greatest performance of the Breeders Cups I've attended live. Tiznow a close 2nd and Invasor & Xtra Heat tied for 3rd. The sun came out just before the race, was really cool.

[largo1]

For me, the best Breeders'Cup race is always going to be 2003 in the Classic when TizNow brought it home again. Always sends chills up my spine. Love it, love it , love it!!!

Suzanne

[Danzig]

i hope to make it to bc '10, so that will be the best ever-for me at least.
but i agree with holland hacker, hard to top the '88 cup.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by GPK

2005?? Wasn't that was the year you hammered Beautiful Home everyway possible? I think that was her name??

Pleasant Home, yes....but I kind of took the thread to mean the best races/horses etc..., not personal....I was freezing to death that day at Belmont and the rest of the racing didn't do much for me....2000's cast sticks out for me.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Soaring Softly

I agree about 1988. It was chock full of great races.

But the one I want to throw out there is 1987 at Hollywood Park. There was only two of the races in that year that were notably forgettable. The Juvenile was taken by Success Express (who?) and the Distaff was won by 3-year-old Sachuista. She also beat older in the Spinster at Keeneland....was a very nice filly, but not very memorable. But the other five races that day (that was pre-F&M Turf) were great.

Juvenile Fillies - Epitome (13/1) came from the clouds to run down heavily favored Jeanne Jones right at the wire. It was one of those "crowd is silenced" moments we see from time to time, and boy was the silence deafening!

Sprint - Very Subtle (17/1) just smoked hot-shot Groovy, who has to be the only horse to lose a Breeders Cup race two years in a row at odds-on. I'll still never understand how she went off at that price!

Mile - The first of two consecutive victories by the sparkling Miesque. Boy, did she put on a show!

Turf - Theatrical and Arc-winner Trempolino separate themselves from the field and battle the length of the stretch. It was also a race between the "Pats"....Day and Eddery. More opposite riding styles you'll never see. Theatrical prevailed in a race that I still think is one of the greatest I've ever seen.

Classic - What can you say? 1986 Derby-winner Ferdinand prevailing by a nose, holding off 1987 Derby-winner Alysheba. It was the match-up that everybody wanted to see, and we were not disappointed. Certainly one of the top five Breeders Cup Classics ever!

Any love for 1987?

It would be pretty hard to argue against either of those years - great recap by both you and Holland Hacker.

[King Glorious]

I think the 1986-1989 BC were the best ones and certainly the best stretch in the series. I first went to one in 1986 at SA and got to see probably the deepest Juvenile field they've had. Capote beat Alysheba, Polish Navy, Gulch, Demons Begone, and Bet Twice. Has any Juvenile field ever produced horses that accomplished more as 3yos? Brave Raj dominated the Juv Fillies, including Sacahuista who went on to become the next year's 3yo filly champ and BC Distaff winner. Groovy disapppointed but there was a lot of excitement to see him going into the sprint. The Mile was a very exciting finish with Last Tycoon getting up to beat Palace Music in the final jumps. Lady's Secret put in her bid for HOY with an easy victory in the Distaff. One of our most underrated turf superstars, the 3yo Manila beat a field that included future Turf winner Theatrical, top mare Estrapade, and European superhorse and Arc winner Dancing Brave. The Classic was the race to decide HOY. Would it be Precisionist or Turkoman? Either would win the title with the win but Pincay rode Skywalker perfectly and he beat them both and clinched the title for Lady's Secret. For me, it was the best day of racing I've ever seen.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by philcski

I loved Happy Ticket as a racemare. As honest as they come. Was really sad to see her go early, of all the recent passings that was the one that was the most disappointing to me. She ran her eyeballs everytime they sent her out.

I was lucky to meet Stewart Madison, Happy Ticket's owner, at Louisiana Downs prior to the Super Derby. A tremendously nice man who more than anything is a gambler. He joked with the track announcers at the cocktail party that he could tell which racetrack was running with his back to the TVs because he loves listening to the announcer.

He held onto the filly (I think?) that was supposed to be in the Keeneland sale and seemed pretty excited about this being her best foal.

NT

[ghartman02]

I have to put in my vote for 1988. It was a horrible day weather wise, kept getting colder, flurried etc. But Personal Ensign's win was awesome, to be followed up by Alysheba winning on a track he wasn't supposed to like. It seemed like the Breeders Cup was much more exciting and important then, and had a different feel. On that note, the crowd for the 1998 Breeders Cup Classic, man that was maybe the best assembled race and the excitement was unbelievable with Awesome Again defeating Silver Charm and Swain.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

For the best turf Mile I've ever seen(impressive wise) was this one from 2001.

Belmont Park - October 27th, 2001 - Race 5
Race name: Breeders' Cup Mile
Stakes - For ThoroughbredThree Year Old and UpwardOne Mile On The Turf
Purse: $1,000,000
Value of Race: $1,044,240 1st $592,800, 2nd $228,000, 3rd $136,800, 4th $63,840, 5th $22,800
Weather: Clear Track: Firm
Off at: 2:43Start: Good for all

Pgm HorseName (Jockey) Wgt M/E PP SP 1/4 1/2 3/4 Str Fin Odds
12 Val Royal (FR) (Valdivia, Jr., J.) 126 L 11 11 11-2 1/2 11-2 11-1/2 3-Head 1-1 3/4 5.10
1 Forbidden Apple (Nakatani, C.) 126 L 1 2 4-1/2 4-1/2 2-1 1-1 1/2 2-3/4 8.20
4 Bach (IRE) (Kinane, M.) 126 L 4 6 6-1 6-Head 5-Head 4-1 1/2 3-1 1/2 33.50
13 Irish Prize (Stevens, G.) 126 L 12 10 10-2 1/2 10-1 1/2 9-1/2 5-Head 4-Neck 5.00
2 Navesink (Prado, E.) 123 L 2 7 7-1/2 8-2 8-1/2 7-Head 5-Neck 17.00
10 Brahms (Solis, A.) 126 L b 10 9 9-1 9-1/2 10-1/2 11-Head 6-Neck 12.40
3 Noverre (Dettori, L.) 123 L 3 8 8-2 1/2 7-Head 7-Head 8-1/2 7-1 4.10*
9 Sarafan (Espinoza, V.) 126 L b 9 12 12 12 12 10-1 8-Neck 26.75
6 City Zip (Chavez, J.) 123 L b 6 1 1-1/2 1-Head 1-1/2 2-1/2 9-2 1/4 32.25
7 Express Tour (Velazquez, J.) 123 L 7 4 3-1 3-Head 3-1 1/2 6-Head 10-2 1/4 21.40
8 Affirmed Success (Bailey, J.) 126 L 8 5 5-1/2 5-1 1/2 6-1 1/2 12 11-1 3/4 5.40
5 Balto Star (Day, P.) 123 L 5 3 2-1 2-1 1/2 4-Head 9-1 1/2 12 8.10
Fractional Times:22.79,45.49,1:08.65,1:32.05

One race that I always talk about in the office when talking about BC history

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I got published in the NY Daily News because I wrote to complain about the picture of Landseer splashed across the coverage with his leg literally hanging off on the horse.

A lot of papers had that same picture. Tasteless.

[eajinabi]

1998 Classic was one of the most memorable finishes in breeders cup history.

Great field:

Awesome Again, Swain, Skip Away, Silver Charm, Coronados Quest, Victory Gallop.

[King Glorious]

I hear a lot about the 1998 Classic being the best field but I thought 1988's was better with Alysheba, Seeking the Gold, Forty Niner, Cryptoclearance, Waquoit, Personal Flag, and Cutlass Reality.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

1998 Classic was one of the most memorable finishes in breeders cup history.

Great field:

Awesome Again, Swain, Skip Away, Silver Charm, Coronados Quest, Victory Gallop.

Loved being there in 1998, but that list of winners from 1988 is unbeatable.