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Old 08-02-2015, 09:22 PM
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Default Pharoah vs. Older, what's next . . . ?

So he romped today, Victor nudged him slightly on the far turn to take over the race with 2 or 3 little hand pumps and then sat chilly, hands still, throttled down and coasting to the wire . . . thus he had an easy work out today . . . So there are no 3YO's that can carry his horse shoes let alone run against him. Question is, is there a horse of any quality of any age that can give him a run for his "money" . . . can't think of any . . .

Who is out there . . . anybody, I doubt it!!!
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Obnoxious, no?
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Old 08-02-2015, 09:50 PM
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Obnoxious, no?
What has Obnoxious done and who has he or she beaten? Never heard of the horse. Must be a dark horse.
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Old 08-02-2015, 10:06 PM
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as good/great as a.p has looked i'm not going to say an older or euro horse couldn't beat him. he's going to have to earn it in the b.c.
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Old 08-02-2015, 10:21 PM
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as good/great as a.p has looked i'm not going to say an older or euro horse couldn't beat him. he's going to have to earn it in the b.c.
I'd really like to see some horse make him earn. The Derby was somewhat of a test but he was still learning and there was 18 other freaking wanna-bees he had to deal with.

Speaking of freaking . . . AP is truly the definition of a FREAK. Bring'em on I say, bring'em on.
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Old 08-02-2015, 10:25 PM
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I'd really like to see some horse make him earn. The Derby was somewhat of a test but he was still learning and there was 18 other freaking wanna-bees he had to deal with.

Speaking of freaking . . . AP is truly the definition of a FREAK. Bring'em on I say, bring'em on.
probably 2 races left this year so the better get crackin!
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Old 08-02-2015, 10:32 PM
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probably 2 races left this year so the better get crackin!
Yep, the "competition" better get crackin. Let's see how much of a sweat he had today . . . little if any and go from there. I know one thing that Zyatt is all in on having his "God Send" run and if he's fit and OK after today, going forward, he will run if not 2 at least one more this year. You can put that in the bank.
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Old 08-03-2015, 08:52 AM
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My guess is they'd prefer one more race before the BC, not 2. I don't know that there is a suitable one on the calendar midway between now and the BC. If not, somebody will write him one, or enhance a pre-existing race (like the Mass Cap did for Cigar, etc.)
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Zayat has certainly said all the right things regarding the horse and the fans. Well the fans want to see him run in the Travers, lets see if he puts his money where is mouth is now.
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Old 08-03-2015, 09:16 AM
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My guess is they'd prefer one more race before the BC, not 2. I don't know that there is a suitable one on the calendar midway between now and the BC. If not, somebody will write him one, or enhance a pre-existing race (like the Mass Cap did for Cigar, etc.)
There are bonuses tied to specific goals in the Coolmore contract. Created races (like the one MTH offered) wouldn't be in it.
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Is there any way he can become the all-time money earner?
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:16 AM
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There are bonuses tied to specific goals in the Coolmore contract. Created races (like the one MTH offered) wouldn't be in it.
Guess that means we won't be seeing him at Canterbury for their proposed $2 million race....Dang.
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Old 08-03-2015, 11:12 AM
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OK, last time . . . it's not about the money. The connections have more money than Fort Knox . . . it's about prestige, history and more than anything taking the right path for the horse and the fans.

Forget about the purses and money. That said, Travers and BC Classic get ready.
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Is there any way he can become the all-time money earner?
If you include stud fees
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OK, last time . . . it's not about the money. The connections have more money than Fort Knox . . . it's about prestige, history and more than anything taking the right path for the horse and the fans.

Forget about the purses and money. That said, Travers and BC Classic get ready.
it's not only about the money, but money is always a part of it.
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Old 08-04-2015, 02:33 PM
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Bloodhorse | Zayat: American Pharoah to Run in Travers

ETA: Ugh. The headline is misleading. No commitment to Travers as yet.
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Old 08-04-2015, 04:27 PM
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Bloodhorse | Zayat: American Pharoah to Run in Travers

ETA: Ugh. The headline is misleading. No commitment to Travers as yet.
Also pretty sure those quotes are from At the Races this morning.
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Old 08-04-2015, 09:39 PM
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Zayat on ATR Tuesday: http://www.thoroughbredracingradione...d=25&Itemid=41
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Old 08-06-2015, 12:18 AM
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I heard that Del Mar is talking about the possibility of delaying the Pacific Classic for a week if AP will run. That would give him 4 weeks instead of 3. I don't know if that would make the connections of AP reconsider, but I guess Del Mar thinks it's worth a try.
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Old 08-06-2015, 09:32 AM
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I heard that Del Mar is talking about the possibility of delaying the Pacific Classic for a week if AP will run. That would give him 4 weeks instead of 3. I don't know if that would make the connections of AP reconsider, but I guess Del Mar thinks it's worth a try.
Del Mar can always sweeten the pot by letting Zayat pick the post positions.
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