Week/Weekend Stakes Beyers: Pharoah 105; Honor Code 112

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Of course I brought the digressions in, because I am actually posting content on this thread, rather than "look at me" strutting and feigned vexation about how it is possible that all details regarding American Pharoah's Triple Crown performances are not afforded otherworldly status simply because he won all 3 races.

That you would focus on those coincidental tidbits rather than the main thrust of the post shows you have little to offer in terms of response. This goes along with your original posts, which either disparage other people for holding a contrary opinion, or spew vague fluff about being too inarticulate to explain why the Brooklyn race shouldn't be compared to the Belmont Stakes, or ridiculous meaningless drivel about American Pharoah's stride.

Carry on.

Your content is nonsensical and irrelevant to the discussion at hand. That I went for your obvious attempt to bait me was intentional. I'll repeat, you've said nothing useful at all, despite your self projecting that onto me.

I have not strutted about being right, not even once. Nor have you admitted to being wrong.

I've also been realistic about Pharoah's overall ability. Show me where I've come close to calling him the best ever, one of the all time greats, etc. You won't, because you can't, because it doesn't exist from me.

Prior to you and a couple of others disparaging my posts, I never disparaged anyones opinions. I did question why so many people loved Upstart so much and that I thought he was extremely overrated, but I even backtracked a little on that once I watched his entire body of work in one sitting. I've at least been honest and admitted when I may have had an unfair opinion.

I have not gloated, nor have I done any I told you so's. I guarantee however had AP lost, I'd be buried in sewage by a small minded cretin such as yourself.

You are right that I put forth a poor effort in trying to explain why I believe the Brooklyn is not relevant, but again, I at least admit to my deficiencies.

Where the hell was your opinion on the triple crown beforehand? Maybe lost in some Rachel Alexandra fantasy about her being an all time great??

Perhaps my musings on AP's stride are nonsensical bits of drivel, but oddly, my observations about such things are right a lot more frequently than wrong.

You on other hand, you hide behind a computer screen sniping at people and offer nothing worth reading.

Maybe it's possible that you realize it's smarter to keep your opinions to yourself, because you don't want the inane criticism that you are so joyous about dishing out.

I feel badly for you.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Perhaps my musings on AP's stride are nonsensical bits of drivel, but oddly, my observations about such things are right a lot more frequently than wrong.


I feel badly for you.

Honestly how do you really no if you are more right then wrong if you dont bet?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Honestly how do you really no if you are more right then wrong if you dont bet?

I'm basing that statement on the opinions I post here, or discuss with people outside of here (mostly here), and whether or not they come true or not.

I'm absolutely the worst horse better in history.

If there is a way to bet a race wrong, I will.

I once had a streak one summer in the 80's where I had something like 36 or 38 straight win bets hit the board, but all lose. You'd think I'd have figured out during that streak how to capitalize on that, but nope, never happened.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Your content is nonsensical and irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Weird, because during all your miffed prancing and preening, Freddy (you know, person I was responding to) and I have been holding a conversation.

That I went for your obvious attempt to bait me was intentional.

You take yourself too seriously. Do you actually think those were aimed at you? The fact that Rachel Alexandra ran against Munnings and Pioneerof The Nile is mere coincidence. I simply pointed it out.

You've pre-empted for yourself the presidency of the American Pharoah fanboy club. I hope you don't follow in the footsteps of your Selena counterpart.

I'll repeat, you've said nothing useful at all, despite your self projecting that onto me.

Relevant to the Proceedings of the 1st Annual Indian Charlie as Lord Fanboy of the American Pharoah Fan Club? I guess not.

I've also been realistic about Pharoah's overall ability. Show me where I've come close to calling him the best ever, one of the all time greats, etc. You won't, because you can't, because it doesn't exist from me.

None of that means you haven't expressed disappointment, dare I say outrage, that American Pharoah hasn't earned higher speed figures.

Prior to you and a couple of others disparaging my posts, I never disparaged anyones opinions. I did question why so many people loved Upstart so much and that I thought he was extremely overrated, but I even backtracked a little on that once I watched his entire body of work in one sitting. I've at least been honest and admitted when I may have had an unfair opinion.

Translation:

I didn't do it! Well...just that one time...and that other... hey, I said I was sorry!

I have not gloated, nor have I done any I told you so's. I guarantee however had AP lost, I'd be buried in sewage by a small minded cretin such as yourself.

Yeah, we were all on the edge of our seats. Not to see if there would be a Triple Crown winner finally after nearly 4 decades...but whether or not Indian Charlie would have to eat crow...

An why exactly would we bury you, not indulge your ridiculous ego a little further? To hear you tell it, you've been nothing but critical of AP's abilities and never suggested he was an all-time great.

Where the hell was your opinion on the triple crown beforehand?

Somewhere in there. I think I said that American Pharoah's best chance to win was to go wire-to-wire and that Materiality would be a factor.

One out of two ain't bad.

Perhaps my musings on AP's stride are nonsensical bits of drivel, but oddly, my observations about such things are right a lot more frequently than wrong.

More fluff. Perhaps a lint trap is in order.

You on other hand, you hide behind a computer screen sniping at people and offer nothing worth reading.

Yet it's worth responding to. Interesting.

I feel badly for you.

You take on too much responsibility for things that have nothing to do with you.

Take a rest. Please.

[Kasept]

Jerry Brown brought up a germane additional point to the figure (vis a vis Brooklyn/Belmont) which is that Coach Inge carried 117 to Pharoah's 126. Adjusting for weight, the suggested Beyer would be a 107.

[Kasept]

Final Thoro-Graph numbers out.. https://www.thorograph.com/ROTW/index.php?utid=main

105 Beyer interpretation of Belmont gets virtually identical concurrence from TG with a -0.5 (negative half point)..

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Final Thoro-Graph numbers out.. https://www.thorograph.com/ROTW/index.php?utid=main

105 Beyer interpretation of Belmont gets virtually identical concurrence from TG with a -0.5 (negative half point)..

I thought davidowitz offered an excellent explanation of why any fig for this race is dubious and an sort of a non starter