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Old 05-04-2011, 05:06 PM
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I would hope he would be able to run quick late after running so slow early.

He just screams out underlay and with the whispers of his issues, I just don't see how he's a good choice to play in the race.

Are you going to actually bet him?
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:20 PM
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I would hope he would be able to run quick late after running so slow early.

He just screams out underlay and with the whispers of his issues, I just don't see how he's a good choice to play in the race.

Are you going to actually bet him?
He ran quick all right. Real quick. Real easy. He looked like the same horse to me, just with different race circumstances.

I think I'd play him at 9/2. Exotics look totally random to me.
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:24 PM
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Right now, I'm leaning towards using just three horses: Pants on Fire, Master of Hounds, and Shackleford...based largely on odds vs post draws, but I have yet to really study past performances.
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:25 PM
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somer, if you get a chance post the dosage numbers.....thanks
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:27 PM
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somer, if you get a chance post the dosage numbers.....thanks
Of all or specific horses?
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:30 PM
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all would be great.....thanks again.
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:39 PM
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If anyone is willing to excuse the Wood performance than it's safe to say that on paper Uncle Mo is the best in this field. I've looked this over several times and I can't find much beyond the other obvious favorites. For a price, I do like Santiva. Not impressed by his race times, but like this ones style and the fact he ran wide around the track in the Risen Star and finished second to Mucho Macho Man who I like as well. Animal Kingdom hasn't seen real dirt, but Motion should have this one ready. Dialed in obviously needs the trip, but could blow these away in deep stretch. So, for what it's worth, this is who I like 72 hours out.

1. 18 - Uncle Mo
2. 12 - Santiva
3. 8 - Dialed In
4. 13 - MMM
5. 16 - Animal Kingdom
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:43 PM
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OK, here we go:
Dialed In...9-8-13-0-0 3.62/0.87
Uncle Mo...1-2-5-0-0 2.20/0.50
Mucho Macho Man...5-1-5-1-0 2.43/0.83
Soldat...7-6-11-2-0 2.47/0.69
Nehro...12-8-12-0-0 4.33/1.00
Archarcharch...6-3-20-1-0 1.73/0.47
Midnight Interlude...6-5-15-0-0 2.47/0.65
Santiva...4-3-21-0-0 1.67/0.39
Shackleford...6-13-9-0-2 3.62/0.70
Stay Thirsty...4-6-16-0-0 2.25/0.84
Pants on Fire...6-6-12-0-0 3.00/0.75
Brilliant Speed...7-3-23-0-1 1.72/0.44
Master of Hounds...12-2-30-12-0 1.07/0.25
Decisive Moment...3-2-9-0-0 2.11/0.57
Animal Kingdom...2-0-6-0-0 1.67/0.50
Comma to the top...3-0-5-0-0 2.20/0.75
Twice the Appeal...6-1-7-0-1 2.11/0.64
Watch Me Go...8-1-5-1-1 2.58/0.88
Twinspired...2-1-9-2-0 1.15/0.21
Derby Kitten...3-2-7-2-0 1.55/0.43
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:58 PM
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1) Comma To The Top
2) Dialed In
3) Archarcharch
4) Midnight Interlude
5) Mucho Macho Man
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Old 05-04-2011, 06:23 PM
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So the only horse we can chuck on dosage is Nehro? That's a really precise system that dosage.
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Old 05-04-2011, 06:28 PM
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So the only horse we can chuck on dosage is Nehro? That's a really precise system that dosage.
Horses in recent years have demonstrated the ability to win despite falling outside traditional guidelines regarding DI, of more interest to me is the remaining fact that no horse with fewer than 16 points in his/her DP has won since Middleground in 1950. This applies to 8 runners.
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Old 05-04-2011, 08:15 PM
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Horses in recent years have demonstrated the ability to win despite falling outside traditional guidelines regarding DI, of more interest to me is the remaining fact that no horse with fewer than 16 points in his/her DP has won since Middleground in 1950. This applies to 8 runners.
Wow, that seems to be a pretty powerful trend!

The only thing is if one goes back 10 more years to 1940 - the rule still holds except for Count Fleet in 1943 with a 0-2-1-1-0. And we all know what kind of stud he was......
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Old 05-04-2011, 09:17 PM
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Wow, that seems to be a pretty powerful trend!

The only thing is if one goes back 10 more years to 1940 - the rule still holds except for Count Fleet in 1943 with a 0-2-1-1-0. And we all know what kind of stud he was......
Absolutely! I think its safe to say there are no Count Fleets in this field!
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Old 05-05-2011, 04:44 PM
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I am LONG-TIME buddy of Steve Byk, who knows just a little about horse racing except that I study a ton on the three Triple Crown races and bet them, with the help of Steve (Giacomo comes to mind), you folks, who actually know a LOT about horse racing, the DRF, etc.

Anyway, Wednesday morning I assigned positive values to the picks in this thread (Top 5 picks) and negative values in the "Toss" thread to try to get a feel for a consensus. This method worked great in 2007, the first year I did it, as the Derby Trailers' consensus was, in order, Street Sense, Curlin and Hard Spun, so it got the Trifecta. Not that the race didn't run to form, but still.

It worked ok in 2008 (Big Brown, no tri), not so much in 2009 (Mine That Bird) or 2010 (Super Saver) although Ice Box and Paddy ranked very highly in this exercise last year. This year's "DT consensus" order is:

Archarcharch
Dialed In (close to Arch)
Shackleford (big drop to Shackleford)
Uncle Mo (small drop to here, and very close from here to Animal Kingdom)
Soldat
Mucho Macho Man
Animal Kingdom
Nehro (as noted above, big drop from Animal Kingdom)
Midnight Interlude
Brilliant Speed (crap from here down)
Stay Thirsty
Pants on Fire
Twinspired
Santiva
Master of Hounds
Twice the Appeal
Decisive Moment
Comma to the Top
Watch me Go

Nobody had Derby Kitten, obviously.

Anyway, I'm hoping it's 2007 all over again and betting a tri box with 1-3-8-14. Had to throw 3 in because Borel busted my tri boxes the past two years. I really don't think he will finish in the money Saturday, but...
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Old 05-05-2011, 07:50 PM
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Dialed in 1 . Mucho Macho Man 2.Shackleford 3.Animal Kingdom4. Soldat 5.
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Old 05-05-2011, 09:14 PM
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1.) Midnight Interlude
2.) Twinspired
3.) Dialed In
4.) Stay Thirsty
5.) Santiva

Good racing luck, guys.
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Old 05-05-2011, 09:28 PM
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1. Dialed In
2. Midnight Interlude
3. Mucho Macho Man
4. Nehro
5. Twice the Appeal
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Old 05-05-2011, 11:07 PM
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1. Soldat
2. Pants On Fire
3. Archarcharch
4. Mucho Macho Man
5. Stay Thirsty
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Old 05-06-2011, 05:30 AM
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1. Archarcharch
2. Dialed In
3. Shackleford
4. Soldat
5. Midnite Interlude
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