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11-13-2007, 01:17 PM
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Call me cynical but money (be it from the purse or from the betting window) may be more of a motivating factor than "the joy of winning"....
IMHO Corruption thrives most in situations involving money or power...and either of these things can be used to get the other. 
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11-13-2007, 01:17 PM
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Where do you draw that line? As long as there is competition for money, people will work the edges to gain an advantage. You break the rules and get caught, you get fined and/or suspended. If you have a beef that the penalties are too soft, why not campaign to make them tougher? To a great extent the furor over Dutrow is a joke. He's doing his days and paying his fine, isn't he? To say he's "different" is wrong. He's NO different than the others who get fined and suspended aside from perhaps not being an overly penitent person. Dutrow, for his faults, can flat out train a racehorse. A year ago people would point at him and Allday and claim it was the vet who moved his horses up. Well, he fired the vet a year ago and is doing ok. And Allday, aside from his outburst, is still a great vet. Dutrow took Kip DeVille over from a guy named Netherland and moved him up. That makes him a criminal? Good trainers move up horses. It's not a crime. Chuck Simon moved up that filly up 15-20 lengths in a few months. He's a good trainer. That's what is supposed to happen when a good trainer with a sharp eye takes a young horse from an average-to-poor trainer. They often move up. I'm curious to know if Allday has done any work with Sumoneluveyou?
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11-13-2007, 02:40 PM
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Are there even enough benefits to be gained from milkshaking to even risk being caught? Seems pretty stupid to me.
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11-13-2007, 02:47 PM
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11-13-2007, 02:51 PM
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You can sort of argue when it comes to overrages, but milkshaking is just blatant cheating. The barn is a CHEATING BARN. It is that simple.
People that are his friends (some here obviously) defend him just like parents defend their children when they are on trial for killing someone. It is human nature. However, those on this board that will still use him and claim he knew nothing because he was on vacation, must think the rest of us are idiots. The fact is the barn CHEATS. People who use barns that cheat help promote cheating. Nothing more to it than that. Those people that defend him now have absolutely ZERO credibility now when it comes to discussions on cheating in the sport. ZERO. Sadly the biggest winners in the sport are the biggest cheaters. Just like in most sports. Horse racing is very close to joining the ranks of boxing because people continue to defend these cheaters.
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11-13-2007, 03:03 PM
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The fact is the barn CHEATS. People who use barns that cheat help promote cheating. Nothing more to it than that. Those people that defend him now have absolutely ZERO credibility now when it comes to discussions on cheating in the sport. ZERO. QUOTE] Could not possibly be said any clearer than that.
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11-13-2007, 03:06 PM
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Don't forget, when this incident took place very few people were being caught for milkshaking, as testing only began in the last two years.
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11-13-2007, 03:17 PM
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BTW is right, the public should be outraged whenever any kind of drugging goes on. It should be a criminal offense. If these clowns faced punishment like people in the real world they wouldnt do it anymore.
Racing needs one governing body, and they need to take cheating serious. Snake Venom, Milk shaking, blocks/painkillers, all of that bullshit should land these guys in jail, off the grounds, and facing criminal charges. If Chuck ran off to Cabo for a vacation do you think Cherie would be running around telling the vets to milkshake everything. It starts at the top, and it trickles down. The simple fact that Sciacca wasnt there just shows you how comfortable they were doing it. The reason this game is stuck in the mud is because of its horrible reputation, something needs to be done
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11-13-2007, 03:27 PM
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The really annoying thing about these guys cheating is they are screwing the gambler and the gambler is indirectly the guy who really pays their salary. It is almost like they have no respect for fairness to the guy gambling. I don't have enough money to gamble a ton of money but I would not be happy if I lost a bunch of money when the horse I bet on ran 2nd to a cheater and then weeks later you find it out. The gambler still loses. It really hurts guys who spend thousand on pick 6's because they could lose out on a very big ticket due to one horse.
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11-13-2007, 03:39 PM
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11-13-2007, 03:43 PM
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Allday is all about Lubrisyn. I wonder if Dutrow can use Lubrisyn with his "juice". If not, maybe that is why Allday is jumping all over him.
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11-13-2007, 03:45 PM
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There was once a time in the 90's when Sciacca was a top the Belmont standings with 30 wins - had a 26.1 win percentage from 115 starters with an avg win mutual of $14.30 for those 30 winners - and was a magical 21-for-56 (37.5% wins) with runners on the turf course.
Gasper Moschera was 2nd in the standings. How times have changed!
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11-13-2007, 03:49 PM
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11-13-2007, 03:50 PM
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