Over 1 Million signatures obtained to recall WI Gov. Scott Walker

[clyde]

Rita, what happened to 'be impeccable with your word'?

[Cannon Shell]

It is an interesting twist to blame Walker for money spent on the recall election. It wasn't exactly his idea was it?

And how does one go about verifying a million signatures anyway?

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Riot

You mean contact with people who have actually been out collecting signatures and are involved with the process? Contact with people that live there? Yes.

I grew up in northern Illinois, have many family and friends in Wisconsin, have spent alot of time there, and I care very much what happens in Wisconsin. Both because of the people I now that live and work there, and as observation of the Koch Brothers and ALECs attempt to pass their massive and horrible legislative agenda.

By those standards, i suppose that I'm incredibly knowledgable about the politics of Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by clyde

Rita, what happened to 'be impeccable with your word'?

There is no room for that now that she is in full blown campaign attack mode.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is an interesting twist to blame Walker for money spent on the recall election. It wasn't exactly his idea was it?

Dear. god. learn. to. read. I didn't blame Walker for the recall.

What I said that if Wiphans contention was true, that Walker was sure the signatures were faked, but went ahead with the election anyway, yes, then he would be responsible for spending state money on something he knew to be false.

And how does one go about verifying a million signatures anyway?

You could go to the GAB website and find out.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

There is no room for that now that she is in full blown campaign attack mode.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is an interesting twist to blame Walker for money spent on the recall election. It wasn't exactly his idea was it?

And how does one go about verifying a million signatures anyway?

wait, people are saying it's walkers fault that money has to be spent? lemme guess, the logic is that had he not done what he promised to do (a rare occurrence with pols) when running for office, and had caved to some protesters, they wouldn't have had to try to recall him?

i'm surprised they are still attempting to recall him, since most of the others 'recalled' kep their seats. not a very good roi when you compare two seats gained to money spent.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

What I said that if Wiphans contention was true, that Walker was sure the signatures were faked, but went ahead with the election anyway, yes, then he would be responsible for spending state money on something he knew to be false.

Seriously? So you are operating under the assumption that there are enough fake signatures that the recall wont happen if Walker challenges the signatures? Because if you assume that there ARE enough real or unchallengeable signatues then the recall is inevitable and the people to blame for the expense are those who called for the recall. Unless of course you are blinded by irrational hate for someone that you will never meet and hasnt really done anything to you or that will substantially affect you. Because we all know that anyone who dares mess with unions should be tarred and feathered.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You could go to the GAB website and find out.

http://gab.wi.gov/node/2128

For those who dont want to read through the tedious press release on the topic there is basically no way to ensure that signatures (that arent obviously false like people signing adolph Hitler) are accurate and must be individually challenged which would be a monumental and time consuming task. Walker would probably be doing the right thing not wasting more money going through a million signatures. So yeah there are probably a whole lot of fakes but it would take was too much time and money going through them which surely why the recallers came with so many signatures as well as for the PR value.

Of course some of us really believe that a million people in a mostly rural state signed a petition to recall the Gov...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Seriously? So you are operating under the assumption that there are enough fake signatures that the recall wont happen if Walker challenges the signatures?

No.

Geebus, effing cripes, please learn to read.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://gab.wi.gov/node/2128

For those who dont want to read through the tedious press release on the topic there is basically no way to ensure that signatures (that arent obviously false like people signing adolph Hitler) are accurate and must be individually challenged which would be a monumental and time consuming task.

From GAB website:

These competing interests ensure that ineligible signers, duplicate signatures and fake names get weeded out. Focusing on any one aspect of the process in isolation misses the forest for a few trees.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

wait, people are saying it's walkers fault that money has to be spent?

No. Nobody has said that.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

No.

Geebus, effing cripes, please learn to read.

If you believe Walker wouldnt be sucessful in challenging the signatures than how can you say that by not challenging them he is costing the state 9 million dollars that a recall will cost???

My reading skills are good enough to see exactly what you tried to do, paint Walker in a bad light regardless of the hypocracy of your argument.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

From GAB website:

The "competing interests" hardly insure that any signature that isnt ridiclously forged. Basically they say "here are the signatures, challenge whatever you like" however what is unsaid is how exactly do you choose what signatures to challenge and due to the sheer number of signatures and monumental amount of work needed to document their legitimacy it is an impossible task to properly vet them out.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You're saying that Walker, instead of not facing a recall election, would rather choose to cost the state "$9 million dollars" to hold a recall election, plus risk losing his seat?

Not sure how by posing the question as a statement this isnt saying that Walker will cost the state 9 million.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The "competing interests" hardly insure that any signature that isnt ridiclously forged. Basically they say "here are the signatures, challenge whatever you like" however what is unsaid is how exactly do you choose what signatures to challenge and due to the sheer number of signatures and monumental amount of work needed to document their legitimacy it is an impossible task to properly vet them out.

Then you'd better tell the Republican judge that just ruled in the legal case the Friends of Scott Walker brought against GAB regarding petitions he's wrong.

http://bloggingblue.com/2012/01/06/w...of-bugs-bunny/

And you can tell the multiple GAB people actually checking the signatures daily, a complex and ongoing process that will take 60 days, including the additional required accuracy checks from the judge in the above lawsuit, that they are wasting their time. Because they, and the Walker camp, who just won that lawsuit regarding what accuracy checks they wanted added, thinks it's pretty well nailed down regarding the accuracy thing.

On the other hand, all the Senate recall petitions have been processed by GAB, entered into the computer data base for checking validity and cross-referencing, and have been posted (all petitions become public). Anyone may view photocopies the original signed petitions as PDF's, here.

If you see Adolf Hitler has signed, please notify the Walker Campaign immediately.

http://webapps.wi.gov/sites/recall/default.aspx

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then you'd better tell the Republican judge that just ruled in the legal case the Friends of Scott Walker brought against GAB regarding petitions he's wrong.

http://bloggingblue.com/2012/01/06/w...of-bugs-bunny/

And you can tell the multiple GAB people actually checking the signatures daily, a complex and ongoing process that will take 60 days, including the additional required accuracy checks from the judge in the above lawsuit, that they are wasting their time. Because they, and the Walker camp, who just won that lawsuit regarding what accuracy checks they wanted added, thinks it's pretty well nailed down regarding the accuracy thing.

On the other hand, all the Senate recall petitions have been processed by GAB, entered into the computer data base for checking validity and cross-referencing, and have been posted (all petitions become public). Anyone may view photocopies the original signed petitions as PDF's, here.

If you see Adolf Hitler has signed, please notify the Walker Campaign immediately.

http://webapps.wi.gov/sites/recall/default.aspx

If you take the time to read the opnion piece linked you would understand why what I said is accurate.

As Kevin Kennedy, the director of the GAB, who has overseen nine recall elections in the last year alone, fielded questions about Bugs Bunny during his testimony. When one of Walker’s lawyers asked Kennedy if the GAB had counted “Bugs Bunny” as a valid signature during the Holperin recall and Kennedy replied, “yes,” he tried to explain why it was counted.
The GAB did not strike Bugs Bunny’s signature because the signature had not been challenged, and the agency can’t strike a signature without a challenge.


Going through and individually challenging hundreds of thousands of signatures would be an incredibly time consuming and expensive task.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Going through and individually challenging hundreds of thousands of signatures would be an incredibly time consuming and expensive task.

Especially considering Walker will win. Why call timeout when you're dominating.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Going through and individually challenging hundreds of thousands of signatures would be an incredibly time consuming and expensive task.

Which is why Walker sued and won, to have the GAB do it for him, and why there is this nice video feed of them doing exactly that right now - checking hundreds of thousands of signatures, entering them into a data base, cross checking with address and voter registration rolls - and why the petitions are posted on the internet, too, after they have been checked.

Keep up, will you? You have to know what's going on, before you can b.itch about it. You're complaining they can't do something they are actually doing right now . Which is pretty funny.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Which is why Walker sued and won, to have the GAB do it for him, and why there is this nice video feed of them doing exactly that right now - checking hundreds of thousands of signatures, entering them into a data base, cross checking with address and voter registration rolls - and why the petitions are posted on the internet, too, after they have been checked.

Keep up, will you? You have to know what's going on, before you can b.itch about it. You're complaining they can't do something they are actually doing right now . Which is pretty funny.

Anyone with a telephone book can get names and addresses.