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And Bostons record after the trade is fairly immaterial as they rested players far more than teams usually do down the stretch. I turned on a game against the Wizards late in the season and you would have thought it was preseason with the team Boston fielded for most of the 2nd half of a tight game. |
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You are going to say that the reason Boston finished 16-12 after the trade is because they rested players? Really?? The game against the Wizards they rested players...because it was the second to last game of the freaking season and they had already locked in the third seed not to mention they had just gotten blown out the day before against miami. If you are talking about the one the week before, they beat washington by 16 at home although they did blow them out in the fourth quarter after it being tight for the first three. Boston was 3-0 against Miami pre-trade. Then, in the biggest game of the regular season with the number 2 spot on the line, The Celtics get blown out on national tv and get outrebounded 42-26 while prior to that they had outrebounded miami cumulatively and in 2 out of the 3. Either way its speculation as what they would have done. To me though, their record and stats don't lie. There was a big difference after the trade. |
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There was a psychological aspect to it I'm sure. I think each and every Celtic player believed the Perkins injury is what cost them the title last year and they very nearly won it anyway, but they may have been correct about that. So I guess now having him playing again and ditching him hurt them. Long term I can't see how this is a bad trade for the Celtics. Perkins is what he is. Not a really good player but a player who knows his role. And he does it well. But Green is an athletic scorer as the Celtics move forward is what they'll need with Rondo and eventually not the big 3 who continue to age.
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Perkins wasn't playing when he was traded and didn't play for a few weeks afterwards so their record isn't that pertinent. Plus I was only using the one game as an example. They lost quite few games down the stretch to bad teams because they were watching minutes of the old guys. I suppose the chemistry thing is impossible to quantify but IMO injuries and age are slowing Boston down more than chemistry issues. |
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Perkins will be a valuable piece for Oklahoma when Howard signs with LA after next year. |
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worst trade I know of in basketball history was Spencer Haywood for Adrian Dantley. Haywood scored around 10 more points and I think was either cut or retired (he was over the hill by then but was a great player), Dantley scored about 25,000 points from there on.
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And are you suggesting that older players aren't more likely to wear down as the season progresses? The fact is because of injuries the older players (Pierce/Garnett/Allen) were forced to play more minutes throughout the season than they had projected them to. Garnett in particular had his minutes cut the last 15 or so games. Think it is a coincidence that Ainge is suggesting that Pierce might come off the bench next year? |
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Older players do wear down but its generally a gradual thing. A team like Boston doesn't just get old after the trade deadline. Also, in the one game against Miami with Perkins, Miami had two baskets in the paint the entire second half. Hmmmmmmmm. Maybe Boston was old before halftime, found Ponce de leon's great great great great great grandson in st pete, and came back in the second half 10 years younger. |
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You are basing your entire flimsy (at best) argument on how Miami (team with virtually no low post threats) in one particular game had few inside points? Again since most of Boston's 1st half wins came without Perkins, why are you blaming the 2nd half losses on him? Especially considering that there were 2 or 3 games that Boston pretty obviously lost because they were resting players and playing Troy Murphy and Sasha Pavolic in the 4th quarter of tight games . So if they went 19-9 or 20-8 by simply trying to beat the Wizards or Nets or Rockets what would you be saying? |
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Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Doc's wrong as well. |
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Believe me there was a lot going on that isn't going public |
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I believe that there was a lot going on. At the same time, they weren't resting players against Miami or Chicago. If their starters played less, its because hey were getting hopelessly blown out.
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