Stewards- Country Star - Page 2

SniperSB23 · #21 08-18-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G106KRuoJOM

6/1 on a 3yo coming off Beyers of 108/111/113/110.

Cannon Shell · #22 08-18-2008, 08:51 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbkQ4EXQ0YU

#23 08-18-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Really? What exactly made her 'clearly the most likely winner'? She wasn't the fastest horse in the race on grass, and the move to turf reeked of desperation. She was a complete bet-against at 4-5.

It's also laughable that you think she was 'obviously a short horse'. Four five-furlong breezes in 24 days, and Frankel's horses hardly ever 'need a race'.. Doesn't sound like an 'obvious' short horse to me.

Sooner or later, people might have to stop making excuses for this filly and come to grips with the possibility that she's just not very fast.

shes a good horse, better then most now a days

Cannon Shell · #24 08-18-2008, 08:57 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz99i...eature=related

philcski · #25 08-18-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS-mu3y_DIw

I think that's the first and only time I've ever seen With Anticipation run on dirt...

Cannon Shell · #26 08-18-2008, 09:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAEZ-QRAts8

Cannon Shell · #27 08-18-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

I think that's the first and only time I've ever seen With Anticipation run on dirt...

I dont think he ran on the turf until he was 5

philcski · #28 08-18-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Really? What exactly made her 'clearly the most likely winner'? She wasn't the fastest horse in the race on grass, and the move to turf reeked of desperation. She was a complete bet-against at 4-5.

It's also laughable that you think she was 'obviously a short horse'. Four five-furlong breezes in 24 days, and Frankel's horses hardly ever 'need a race'.. Doesn't sound like an 'obvious' short horse to me.

Sooner or later, people might have to stop making excuses for this filly and come to grips with the possibility that she's just not very fast.

I agree with you completely on this one, regardless of the results of today. Today's race was horribly slow, especially considering a bunch of no-talent 35K N2L's went 1.3 seconds faster. However, it doesn't change that the stewards were once again inconsistent in their decisionmaking today, where a horse that has intefered with others and possibly (likely?) affected the outcome and didn't get taken down.

AeWingnut · #29 08-18-2008, 09:06 PM

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2405696/7473934

ateamstupid · #30 08-18-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hrfan

shes a good horse, better then most now a days

What do you base this on?

philcski · #31 08-18-2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think he ran on the turf until he was 5

Definitely one of the better American turfers of this decade

CSC · #32 08-18-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Thought the stewards absolutely made the wrong decision on today's 7th race. Country Star was weaving through the stretch like a drunken sailor, and caused interference with both the 2nd AND 3rd place finishers, yet they left her up. I hate to be cynical but it smells to me like they were 'playing favorites' with the connections, if it had not been Frankel/Stonerside I think they rightfully take her down.

I'm probably the wrong person to comment on this as I bet the 2nd place finisher to win, so thanks for bringing this up. You never want to sound like sour grapes after a loss but I thought if Marie Rossa got a straight trip the finish would have been a nose either way, she lost some momentum no doubt. Really a tough call for the stewards to make but it seems Frankel does get his share of calls in N.Y.

Cannon Shell · #33 08-18-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2405696/7473934

If the Breeders Cup is smart they will run the 2008 edition of this race on Ladies Day

AeWingnut · #34 08-18-2008, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If the Breeders Cup is smart they will run the 2008 edition of this race on Ladies Day

well you did qualify it with. "if they were smart"

I say if they were smart they would do this at least once week

Cannon Shell · #35 08-18-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hrfan

shes a good horse, better then most now a days

She is almost as good as Pebbles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bcX2...eature=related

KirisClown · #36 08-18-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO0h4...eature=related

One of her finest races... amazing to be able to carry 130lbs and beat horses like Educated Risk and Dispute...

Scurlogue Champ · #37 08-18-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The question is rarely whether they fouled, it's usually whether they think somebody else would have won if they didn't get fouled. My opinion is she wasn't gunna get beat. She had quite a bit left(Frankel's usually do....I know what Joey was trying to do, but Frankel is usually simply a bully in this particular type of spot.) That's why I can't wait for this guy to retire. Loves to bring in this comebacking fresh chalk. Not exactly entertaining stuff. He's never really understood that this is supposed to be entertainment, but that's just my opinion.

He understands making deposits at the bank I bet.

SCUDSBROTHER · #38 08-18-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Frankel will retire when he croaks. I am not sure how his winning with short priced horses off of a layoff undermines the entertainment factor. I suppose if he intentionally stiffed them a few times it would be more entertaining. what is this pro wrestling?

Well, I can't explain to a trainer how boring this is for fans, because trainers get 10% of the 1st place money. It's not boring to you guys. It makes for a pretty useless race for us. One guy said pass the race. I would say pass the race. Joey tried to beat the Frankel, and lost. Your attitude is typical of trainers. They don't care if racing is that competitive. Short uncompetitive fields are in your best interest. Large competitive fields are in our best interest. Frankel's been jamming this chalk down people's throats in these bully situations forever. He is no friend of those wanting good competitive racing(again I don't expect you to care if the racing is very competitive.) Trainers n' fans have highly differing self interests.

docicu3 · #39 08-18-2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If the Breeders Cup is smart they will run the 2008 edition of this race on Ladies Day

We know the Breeders Cup is not smart.......watch the lack of talent that shows up this year because of the poly factor and make your own decision. The dead rail bias for the bikini blast obviously gave the winner an edge....

CSC · #40 08-18-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The question is rarely whether they fouled, it's usually whether they think somebody else would have won if they didn't get fouled. My opinion is she wasn't gunna get beat. She had quite a bit left(Frankel's usually do....I know what Joey was trying to do, but Frankel is usually simply a bully in this particular type of spot.) That's why I can't wait for this guy to retire. Loves to bring in this comebacking fresh chalk. Not exactly entertaining stuff. He's never really understood that this is supposed to be entertainment, but that's just my opinion.

Are you absolutely 100% sure Frankel's horse wasn't going to lose? If so we were not watching the same race.