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09-16-2009, 02:34 PM
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9/18 (LaD): Super Derby (G2)
11th (5:12) Super Derby (G2)
1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $750,000 1 Red Lead Torres F C 124 L 2 Soul Warrior Velazquez J R 124 L 3 Massone Gomez G K 124 L 4 Regal Ransom Migliore R 124 L 5 Blame Theriot H J II 124 L 6 Uno Mas Sellers S J 124 L 7 Electric Alphabet Simington D E 124 L
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09-16-2009, 05:58 PM
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09-16-2009, 06:17 PM
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Because Uno Mas is overdue.
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09-16-2009, 06:19 PM
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09-16-2009, 06:42 PM
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It would be great if they'd just cancel the race this year. I mean ffs, if they can only get 7 entries for a god damn grade 2 with a $750,000 purse...
It's just absolutely ridiculous how this game has turned into a welfare state for the select few who have the balls to run their horses.
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09-16-2009, 06:48 PM
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09-16-2009, 06:59 PM
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09-16-2009, 07:21 PM
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09-16-2009, 07:37 PM
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09-16-2009, 07:43 PM
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With the race sandwiched between last weekend's Pennsylvania Derby and next weekend's Pomona Derby, you're gonna be hurtin' for runners.
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09-16-2009, 07:45 PM
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Maybe someone can help me to understand how there could have been a more perfect spot for Mine that Bird.
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09-16-2009, 08:21 PM
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09-16-2009, 09:11 PM
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09-16-2009, 09:39 PM
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We felt the pinch of the economy just like everyone else. Rather than leave the Super Derby at $500k, we decided to put more eggs in its basket than the other races to help get it going again.
That said, aside from Mine That Bird (whom I campagined to the trainer/owners myself, and thought they would come here once they opted out of the Travers but they wanted more time), Summer Bird or Rachel, what other 3-year-olds are out there? Unfortunately, the division is slim at this point in the year. The Super Derby really prospered when there was not nearly as much competition for horses as there is today. Plus, spacing/timing to the Breeders' Cup was more manageable. We're aware of all these factors, unfortunately making radical changes to your biggest race which draws a massive crowd on track, generates our biggest handle of the year and is a part of the community is not an easy task. Cancel it? Forget about it. Suicide. We could move to October, but then LAD is fighting BEL, SA and KEE on the big Saturday weekends. A big day for us is a non-starter. How can we expect to do good business? Sunday is the NFL, so that's out. It's a tough spot and considering all the variables and factors at play - including have to make purse adjustments for the economic environment and to protect our day-to-day business - I think we did okay. I hope everyone enjoys our races on Saturday. We had more than 175 people show-up for our post draw luncheon today and the response to our community events has been wonderful. We're excited!
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09-16-2009, 09:56 PM
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1984 Gate Dancer and Precisionist 1985 Creme Fraiche 1986 Wise Times (Haskell and Travers winner) 1987 Alysheba 1988 Seeking the Gold 1989 Sunday Silence 1990 Unbridled There were other good ones that came there. In my opinion, the race went downhill once it was reduced from 10f to 9f. At 10f, it was one of the best preps for the Classic that we had. The distance was fine and it offered plenty of time to recover and get ready for the Classic.
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09-16-2009, 10:00 PM
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09-16-2009, 10:02 PM
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The Super Derby was also a G1 during many of those years, connections were willing to run longer distances, and the overall racing picture was significantly different. That being said, the Super Derby, like the current PA Derby, seems to have had trouble getting marquee horses in recent years, and now they as proving grounds for late developing 3YO, or those attempting to rekindle form from earlier in the season. That's the way it is.
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09-16-2009, 11:03 PM
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