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Old 12-23-2008, 02:31 PM
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They must have some kind of cash machine in the bronx!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3790141
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Old 12-23-2008, 02:35 PM
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They must have some kind of cash machine in the bronx!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3790141
Yeah...and it's being funded by the citizens of NY..


I mean..come on...this is crazy
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Old 12-23-2008, 02:47 PM
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I was looking at Teixeira for 8 years earlier and had decided it was rather stupid, glad to see it was the Yankees that stepped in with the stupidity. Here's the numbers I dug up.

Top ten similar players through Age 28:

Carlos Delgado*(935)
Kent Hrbek*(925)
Fred McGriff*(913)
Jim Thome*(911)
Will Clark*(910)
Jeff Bagwell*(909)
Willie McCovey*(906)
Richie Sexson*(904)
Shawn Green*(901)
Paul Konerko*(899)

The worst case is Hrbek and Green who only made it to what would be year 6 of the contract before being out of baseball. Sexson and Konerko are yet to hit 34 and are already on their way out. So you have a 6 in 10 success rate with those six all being big name players in Delgado, McGriff, Thome, Clark, Bagwell, and McCovey. Here are their average statistics at 34-36.

At 34 - .274 22 HRs 77 RBIs
At 35 - .283 29 HRs 84 RBIs
At 36 - .277 28 HRs 90 RBIs

A solid player but is that really someone you want to be paying $20 million a year? Not to mention that he could turn out a Green/Hrbek/Sexson/Konerko.
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Old 12-23-2008, 02:57 PM
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I was looking at Teixeira for 8 years earlier and had decided it was rather stupid, glad to see it was the Yankees that stepped in with the stupidity. Here's the numbers I dug up.

Top ten similar players through Age 28:

Carlos Delgado*(935)
Kent Hrbek*(925)
Fred McGriff*(913)
Jim Thome*(911)
Will Clark*(910)
Jeff Bagwell*(909)
Willie McCovey*(906)
Richie Sexson*(904)
Shawn Green*(901)
Paul Konerko*(899)

The worst case is Hrbek and Green who only made it to what would be year 6 of the contract before being out of baseball. Sexson and Konerko are yet to hit 34 and are already on their way out. So you have a 6 in 10 success rate with those six all being big name players in Delgado, McGriff, Thome, Clark, Bagwell, and McCovey. Here are their average statistics at 34-36.

At 34 - .274 22 HRs 77 RBIs
At 35 - .283 29 HRs 84 RBIs
At 36 - .277 28 HRs 90 RBIs

A solid player but is that really someone you want to be paying $20 million a year? Not to mention that he could turn out a Green/Hrbek/Sexson/Konerko.
He is worth the money for the next 4 or 5 years and is a far superior defensive player to all of those players. Not to mention that he is a switch hitter who will have Arod hitting behind him (assuming the bat him third and Arod 4th which is the logical scenario) meaning he will see pitches and score lots of runs. The deal is most likely a bad one in when he is 37 but that is a long ways off. He is a much better deal at the numbers suggested than Sabathia's deal.
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:05 PM
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Does this mean that they are out of the Manny sweepstakes?
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the evil empire is back..
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:09 PM
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He is worth the money for the next 4 or 5 years and is a far superior defensive player to all of those players. Not to mention that he is a switch hitter who will have Arod hitting behind him (assuming the bat him third and Arod 4th which is the logical scenario) meaning he will see pitches and score lots of runs. The deal is most likely a bad one in when he is 37 but that is a long ways off. He is a much better deal at the numbers suggested than Sabathia's deal.
At a 6 year deal he's worth $20 million a year, those extra two years though make it a very risky deal, not that the Yankees seem to care about those even though they keep getting burnt on them. I just read the part about the Yankees now having the four highest paid players in baseball, that is nuts. Especially when you factor in that they also have the highest paid catcher, highest paid closer, and highest paid #2 starter in baseball to go with it. And past their primes Matsui and Damon making $13 million each. Yet the taxpayers of NYC are supposed to give them $450 million to finance the stadium? What leverage do they have? Not like they are going to move out of town if they don't get that money. That would be franchise suicide.
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:10 PM
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Does this mean that they are out of the Manny sweepstakes?
They are never out of any sweepstakes.
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:13 PM
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they can and will spend all they want .and still miss the playoffs.. too many stars in the line up means that if the team isnt a team..remember their is no 'i' in team..it will implode..
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:18 PM
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In addition to their 2009 payroll swelling to $200 million, they now have 9 players under contract for 2010 at a combined payroll over $157 million. And those 9 players include Kei Igawa.
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:20 PM
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At a 6 year deal he's worth $20 million a year, those extra two years though make it a very risky deal, not that the Yankees seem to care about those even though they keep getting burnt on them. I just read the part about the Yankees now having the four highest paid players in baseball, that is nuts. Especially when you factor in that they also have the highest paid catcher, highest paid closer, and highest paid #2 starter in baseball to go with it. And past their primes Matsui and Damon making $13 million each. Yet the taxpayers of NYC are supposed to give them $450 million to finance the stadium? What leverage do they have? Not like they are going to move out of town if they don't get that money. That would be franchise suicide.
Baseball is likely to lower the margin of the salary tax to make the yankees pay more in the next contract. The fact that they are getting taxpayer dollars while flaunting their wealth is troubling. But on a strictly baseball on the field move this was a huge move up for them in the lineup and at 1st. He is easily the best 1st baseman they have had since Mattingly and is a perfect fit for their lineup. They still have some issues in the outfield and behind the plate but the players they have signed are all better than the players they replace and in Tex's case far better.
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:22 PM
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In addition to their 2009 payroll swelling to $200 million, they now have 9 players under contract for 2010 at a combined payroll over $157 million. And those 9 players include Kei Igawa.
With little talent major league ready in the minors besides A. Jackson.
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:26 PM
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With little talent major league ready in the minors besides A. Jackson.
If they shut down their entire Minor League system ( do they really need it anyway?), they could save enough to justify signing Manny next.
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:27 PM
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Baseball is likely to lower the margin of the salary tax to make the yankees pay more in the next contract. The fact that they are getting taxpayer dollars while flaunting their wealth is troubling. But on a strictly baseball on the field move this was a huge move up for them in the lineup and at 1st. He is easily the best 1st baseman they have had since Mattingly and is a perfect fit for their lineup. They still have some issues in the outfield and behind the plate but the players they have signed are all better than the players they replace and in Tex's case far better.
It's a good baseball move, especially in the short run but has the potential to backfire in the last three years of the deal. I wouldn't have as big a problem with it if they weren't asking for taxpayer money, then it would just be the Yankees being the Yankees. Now it is more a slap in the face at taxpayers.
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:30 PM
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It's a piss poor deal. What do the Yanks want to accomplish? Get a ring? I don't think this is the guy for that. If you're talking about getting to the post, then sure, but they surely want more than that. I don't get the infatuation with him. Every team he has been on looks pretty flat in the crunch. The Texas teams always lacked fire in the gut. The Angels (in the post) lacked any fire in the post with him. Go back and try looking at the series his team just lost to Boston in the post. WTF you giving this guy all this $$ for if he isn't doing anything more than a couple singles a game? That's typical of that guy in big games when he was with Texas too. Fly balls, lil singles, strike outs, walks, fielder choice ground ball outs. You see a guy (in that series against Boston) that's that valuable in the post? Huh? He's a good citizen and all that, but, in the post, the YANKS are probably gunna get what he did for the Halos in the post. It ain't all that. Yea, he's tame. He is too fkn tame. In my opinion, this is the worst signing this winter. He is not a difference maker in the post. The other contracts have a possiblity of being great in the post, but there again, Sabathia hasn't been that great in the post. Yanks are gunna lose in the post.
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:36 PM
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If they shut down their entire Minor League system ( do they really need it anyway?), they could save enough to justify signing Manny next.
Mayor Doucheberg may just increase another tax to pay for him.
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It's a piss poor deal. What do the Yanks want to accomplish? Get a ring? I don't think this is the guy for that. If you're talking about getting to the post, then sure, but they surely want more than that. I don't get the infatuation with him. Every team he has been on looks pretty flat in the crunch. The Texas teams always lacked fire in the gut. The Angels (in the post) lacked any fire in the post with him. Go back and try looking at the series his team just lost to Boston in the post. WTF you giving this guy all this $$ for if he isn't doing anything more than a couple singles a game? That's typical of that guy in big games when he was with Texas too. Fly balls, lil singles, strike outs, walks, fielder choice ground ball outs. You see a guy (in that series against Boston) that's that valuable in the post? Huh? He's a good citizen and all that, but, in the post, the YANKS are probably gunna get what he did for the Halos in the post. It ain't all that. Yea, he's tame. He is too fkn tame. In my opinion, this is the worst signing this winter. He is not a difference maker in the post. The other contracts have a possiblity of being great in the post, but there again, Sabathia hasn't been that great in the post.
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:41 PM
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You would have hated Ernie Banks
We talkin' about spending money to get a ring, or spending money to have a decent 162 game season? They better find some post season players, or it's gunna be a while before they get a ring.
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It's a piss poor deal. What do the Yanks want to accomplish? Get a ring? I don't think this is the guy for that. If you're talking about getting to the post, then sure, but they surely want more than that. I don't get the infatuation with him. Every team he has been on looks pretty flat in the crunch. The Texas teams always lacked fire in the gut. The Angels (in the post) lacked any fire in the post with him. Go back and try looking at the series his team just lost to Boston in the post. WTF you giving this guy all this $$ for if he isn't doing anything more than a couple singles a game? That's typical of that guy in big games when he was with Texas too. Fly balls, lil singles, strike outs, walks, fielder choice ground ball outs. You see a guy (in that series against Boston) that's that valuable in the post? Huh? He's a good citizen and all that, but, in the post, the YANKS are probably gunna get what he did for the Halos in the post. It ain't all that. Yea, he's tame. He is too fkn tame. In my opinion, this is the worst signing this winter. He is not a difference maker in the post. The other contracts have a possiblity of being great in the post, but there again, Sabathia hasn't been that great in the post. Yanks are gunna lose in the post.
He hit .467 in that postseason series with a .550 OBP, tough to bash him off that. His lifetime average also increases from .282 with the bases empty to .324 with RISP which would seem a good indication of clutch (compare to A-Rod who goes from .302 to .303 and Jeter who goes from .300 to .317). So not really sure why that would be a concern.
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:45 PM
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Orioles fan's hearts are broken once again....

Thought the O's had a shot at getting Tex since he grew up local to Baltimore. But ol' Asbestos Pete wouldn't shake the cobwebs out of his pocketbook even with the MASN gift MLB gave him.

Ah well, it's always easy getting a seat at Camden Yards now, so there's one up-side....
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