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Well, you believe what you want. I don't deny what they said, that they believe what they said and most certainly that you believe what they said. However, it's certainly not the first time the tote board exploded in the Sprint. Of your 5 G1 winners, Henny, Malibu and Pomeroy certainly had knocks against them. Bordonaro ran good but got beat by a horse that had run close to him before. It was also, on balance, a fairly roughly run race with Pomeroy, Henny,Bling Areyoutalking and Lewis Michael all getting in enough trouble that most likely ended any chance for an ITM finish. I don't discount your opinion and I'm sure Nakitani and ONeill mean what they say. I can offer no more reason for ONeill saying what he did than I can for you calling me a f'in shill. Big deal. |
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They all ran over the same surface and if there is a bias then so be it...what difference does it really make? The most important lesson that you learn when handicapping is to identify horses that ran against a strong bias and play them next out with inflated odds. If you truly believe that the track was biased, do that. As for the Eclipse Awards and all that other ****, forget it, move on. They are so unimportant in the grand sceme of life or horseracing. |
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I think it's funny that nobody complained to him, the stewards, or anyone during the day -- you'd think that would be the prime time to say something about an unfair track, wouldn't you? It was meant to just be informational, because I wasn't sure if everyone would read it otherwise. I'm as disinterested in the bias debate as anyone is, but found this interesting and informative. |
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"I think it's funny that nobody complained to him, the stewards, or anyone during the day -- you'd think that would be the prime time to say something about an unfair track, wouldn't you?"
Why f'n bother? Look how you've attacked people on here for writing about that track condition.Now you wonder why people didn't complain? He would just accuse peoplel(like he did in the article,) of using the track as an excuse for losing.There is no upside to it.Trainers talked to the media about the track,but didn't bother going to talk to him about it.After seeing the way people on here have acted about it,I wouldn't bother talking to him either.ONEIL told the interviewers that it was very quick down on the rail.BUTCH says he had the T.V. on,but he must have missed that. |
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What about the connections of the horses who won? Aren't they happy? There will only be 8 winners and a lot of losers regardless of track condition.
Well,I don't think it is too much to want the best horse on the day to win(not just the one who gets a lucky bias in their favor.)These are supposed to be important races(not just races at some country fair.) I think people who bet huge money to win on horses should take note of what you wrote,because this is a prime reason to not bet heavy to win. |
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Thor Laughing All the Way to the Bank
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I'm a Churchill shill? That's a new one. O'Neill saying there was a bias was a brilliant move as I've said before on here. He offers it up while talking about his gelded BC Sprint winner that has no breeding value and in turn gives his intact Juvenile an excuse for running third. |
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OK, I just realized that Siren Lure and Malibu Mint were the other two G1 winners. You want to use Malibu F-ing Mint as evidence that there was a track bias because she didn't hit the board? Give me a break. And Siren Lure wasn't worthy of holding the jock strap (or the horse racing equivalent) of Thor's Echo and Bordonaro at six and a quarter furlongs. I never understood why anyone thought that horse had a chance.
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P.S. horses have a hard time getting ahold of a track all the time. It's the oldest excuse in the book... |
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Henny didn't pick up his feet, he could have run across the infield and still lost. Bordanaro lost by a photo for 3rd after pressing the contested pace the whole way. |
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This is completely out of left field with no backing -- disagreeing with you does not equal attacking you. Either you are drunk (and therefore unable to make sense of anything I say) or just plain old unable to make sense of anything I say -- as those two options are the only possible ways one could construe anything I've said as an "attack". I'll assume the former so that in the future I can try to take you seriously again. Sorry, in retrospect, my sarcasm will likely be construed as an attack and I am going to go down in history as the board's biggest "attacker!" |
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For yhose of you quoting Beyer. I'd take a flashlight with me in the mourning if he told the sun was going to rise.
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Brad Free is also on record saying that the Churchill main favored inside runners and hurt outside runners.Wrote it when he was writing about how QLM was gunna fly home in the Moccasin.
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Again (aka the third time tonight)......your point? |
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"Brad Free is also on record saying that the Churchill main favored inside runners and hurt outside runners.Wrote it when he was writing about how QLM was gunna fly home in the Moccasin." |
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you say it's ridiculous that i might not see the rail bias (which i find to be absurd). I find it ridiculous that you can't chalk the Juvenile Fillies up to the fact that nobody pressured the best horse in the race. In any race in America where the frontrunner is the best horse in the race, if they are not pressured...they will win. Without fail. Every time. Please find me someone who will disagree with the notion that the best horse in a race left alone on the lead will win everytime. I dare you. It has nothing to do with where on the track she was. You're without a doubt, picking the wrong race if you want to argue about a closer not having a chance. I'd thought better of you from your apparent ability to deal with logic years ago when we were on the ESPN boards -- age gets to ya, eh? (OOPS ATTACKING AGAIN!!!!!!). I'd always thought better of your logic. I've never said agree with me, I've just required that those discussing with me actually be rational -- and using QLM as your 'rational' argument exposes you as someone without any connection to reality. |
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