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02-25-2009, 08:28 AM
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First 2009 March Madness thread
If you listen to the radio or TV.. there is a discussion about HOW many teams can win it all . Lets throw this Jump Ball up to the DT people and see what their thoughts are. Feel free to list how many have a chance or Who you think WILL win it all....
A) Less then 6 teams B) Less then 8 teams c) Less then 12 teams D) Its a real toss up..any team has a chance in a weak field.
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02-25-2009, 09:14 AM
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I say that UNC is my pick to win it and only UNC, Pitt, or Oklahoma has a legit chance to win the title.
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02-25-2009, 10:59 AM
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I want UNC to win it. (Lawson fan)
I'm going to side with Kansas though. Plays well on the road and this is the year that it's WIDE open. Its a toss up. Less than 8.
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02-25-2009, 12:50 PM
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Is anyone an ESPN Insider? If so, and you could PM the text of this article I'd very much appreciate it as just about the biggest Siena fan on the planet:
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog...e%3dncbexperts
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02-25-2009, 06:06 PM
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D. It's going to be a free-for-all. I'd be surprised if more than one 1-seed got to the Final Four.
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02-25-2009, 06:25 PM
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No matter who gets in the Final 4 it will be great
NO MORE BILLY PACKER!!!! 
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02-25-2009, 06:31 PM
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Really?...........SWEET! I say less than 6 have a legitimate shot....but that's why we watch 'em
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02-25-2009, 09:49 PM
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Statistical proof of what I've said for years... quality mid-majors are a vastly better at-large selection than their middle-of-the-road major counterparts on the bubble. Over the past 5 years high majors with a double digit seed have advanced to the sweet 16 just 2 out of 19 times, whereas 7 out of 42 "quality mids" seeded 10 or higher (i.e., did or would have received an at-large) have turned the trick. The trend continues going back all 10 years of his study. Posted by Joe Lunardi Thank you for recognizing the quality of the Siena men's basketball team. They are an outstanding team, and I don't see how Niagara defeated them in your mock MAAC tournament. Also, the Saints should get the at-large bid over Notre Dame. The only reason [the Fighting Irish] can still get a tourney bid is because they were ranked well in the preseason. If Siena started on level ground with Notre Dame, I don't think there would be any question of who would be in the tournament. Siena is 21-6 and 15-1 in conference play, and that includes the fifth-toughest nonconference schedule in the nation. This was a schedule that included road games against Kansas (which it lost to by just seven and outscored by six in the second half), then-No. 3 Pittsburgh, and games in the Old Spice Classic against Tennessee and Oklahoma State. They also recently defeated Northern Iowa in a nationally televised game on BracketBusters Saturday. So, if this mid-major can't make the big dance, who can? Bradley Rost Two points of clarification before we get to the heart of Bradley's question: • The conference tournament results presented during our mock bracket exercise last weekend were random. Niagara defeating Siena had nothing to do with the relative quality of the teams. But the result forced Siena into the at-large pool. • That demonstration led to some very heated discussion about Notre Dame (the last at-large team selected in our exercise) and Siena (the first team out of the NCAA field in our vote). As stated earlier, I was in the minority in voting for the Saints. The real issue isn't what the ESPN mock committee did, of course, but what the actual NCAA men's basketball committee would do when presented with this classic question: a quality mid-major versus what I like to call a "middling" major. There are folks who claim that Notre Dame is better than Siena, that the Irish have superior talent and would dominate a league like the MAAC, that the Saints would be completely undone by the meat grinder of the Big East. I would politely suggest that these are opinions -- well informed -- but still ultimately human judgments. It is more honest to assert that while the Irish might in fact dominate the MAAC, so has Siena. It is equally honest to state that while the Saints might indeed be overwhelmed in the Big East, so was Notre Dame for the better part of the season. I prefer to deal in facts, and, thankfully, so does the real committee (at least the large majority of the time). So let us consider: • At the time of our vote, Siena and Notre Dame had identical ASM (Adjusted Scoring Margin) figures of +8.28 ppg. This is not insignificant, as teams in that range are frequent 10-12 seeds in the NCAA tournament. • The Irish have two more superior wins than Siena has posted (Texas and Louisville). The Irish also have at least one loss (St. John's) to a team the Saints figure to have beaten. We have to consider both ends of this spectrum. • While the history of individual teams is not a factor in NCAA selection and seeding, an analysis of past tournaments can inform the selection process. In other words, how do these types of teams tend to perform once they make the field? Going back 10 years, I have examined every double-digit seed from a BCS conference ("Middling Majors") and all other double-digit seeds who received/would have received at-large consideration ("Quality Mids"). The results, even to me, were a bit surprising: Mid-Majors vs. Middling Majors BCS Sweet 16s Non-BCS Sweet 16s So how do mid-majors stack up with the BCS schools when both are double-digit seeds? The table below shows the cumulative records of those teams seeded in double digits and which ones reached the Sweet 16 or beyond. 2008 3-6 Villanova 7-9 Davidson (Elite Eight) Western Kentucky 2007 0-5 none 2-6 none 2006 2-3 none 8-8 George Mason (Final Four) Bradley Wichita State 2005 2-3 NC State 4-10 Wisconsin-Milwaukee 2004 0-2 none 4-9 Nevada 2003 2-4 Auburn 4-8 Butler 2002 3-3 Missouri (Elite Eight) 9-10 Kent State (Elite Eight) Southern Illinois 2001 2-3 Georgetown 10-11 Temple (Elite Eight) Gonzaga 2000 2-3 Seton Hall 3-8 Gonzaga 1999 3-2 Oklahoma 9-11 Gonzaga (Elite Eight) Miami (Ohio) SW Missouri State Totals 19-34 (.358) 60-90 (.400) What do you know? Despite being unfavorably seeded by an almost three-to-one margin, the Quality Mids are winning NCAA tournament games at a far greater percentage than the Middling Majors. Let's repeat that: So-called "quality mids" are given double-digit seeds almost three times more often than comparable BCS schools, yet they win more games -- and advance further more often -- than their "middling major" counterparts. Does this answer the question of whether Siena is better than Notre Dame this year? Of course not. It does suggest rather strongly, however, that teams that challenge themselves out of conference, or that go on the road against long odds, or that continually win games against good (even if not great) competition are more likely to compete and advance in the NCAA tournament. As I've always said, this should be about performance, not potential. Just because a Notre Dame should be better than a Siena doesn't mean they are. And to call it insane to think otherwise is simply not supported by the evidence.
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02-25-2009, 10:31 PM
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I think part of the problem is the following:
The teams you call the middling majors get in based on wins that occurred earlier in the season. Like Notre Dame. Now they might pull out another major win just because they have a chance to. The conf. schedule is full of them. But... they are actually playing very bad basketball by the time they get into the tourney. The so called quality mids get in (and this is also a generalization) because they win their tourney, or because they have played very well and have a very good record, but lost in their tourney turning them into a quality mid. Bottom line is that they are still playing good basketball. I think it is Butler that has won a heck of a lot of games on the road against solid teams. But that does not look nearly as good as winning home games against very good teams (like UConn or NC). But winning as many road games as Butler has against very solid teams is more difficult imo. Texas is 18-8 and ranked in the top 25. They had some good wins early but are NOW playing absolutely horrible basketball. They beat OU by beating up possibly the best college basketball player in the country recently. So they vault right back up because they have the chance to play a top team at home without their best player. There is no way Butler gets in at 18-8. If the NCAA tourney started today Texas would be in. But they are first round losers unless some magic occurs. And it makes sense that mid majors can be very strong. You dont necessarily need to have the depth of quality players like you do in football. And some of these mid major teams have a bunch of smart players that have played more than 1 year. Almost all of the traditional top programs have lost a quality experiened underclassman to the NBA this year. And they will every year. Some of these players that stay together really play very well as a team with less talent. Or with one very good player with experienced players surrounding him. A major conf. team can play much more erratically and get in so much easier. Anyways... It makes the tourney one of the best team sporting events in our country. Maybe THE best. Another pgardn ramble. No fancy bullets like phil. Answer B.
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02-26-2009, 10:02 AM
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02-26-2009, 10:49 AM
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Thanks Phil! Personally I feel like Notre Dame shouldn't even be in the discussion unless they can win at home against Villanova and get to 9-9 in league play. At 8-10 with an RPI of 70 they shouldn't even be strongly considered. I hope Siena gets in, they are playing really good basketball now, took a 40-19 halftime lead on Northern Iowa who leads the MVC. Niagara also blew out the 3rd place MVC team Illinois St so the top of the conference stacks up very well against the MVC. Siena played absolutely terrible in the Old Spice when Kenny Hasbrouck let talks of NBA scouts get in his head but the past few games they have looked better than they have ever looked (including wins over Stanford and Vandy last year). At Kansas they played really poorly and still cut a 30-10 deficit down to 4 with 7 minutes to play before losing by 7. Not many teams can do that at Kansas in a pay to play game where they use Big 12 officials and let Aldrich do whatever he wants underneath.
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02-26-2009, 04:38 PM
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02-26-2009, 04:53 PM
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02-26-2009, 06:21 PM
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02-26-2009, 06:49 PM
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"A person who saw no important difference between the fire outside a Neandrathal's cave and a working thermo-nuclear reactor might tell you that junk bonds and derivatives BOTH serve to energize capital" - Nathan Israel
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02-26-2009, 07:02 PM
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One thing's for sure. The play of Collins this year shows just how awesome last season's team was. Sherron was like the fourth or fifth option on last year's team, and now he's got Kansas on the verge of a 2 or 3-seed as the go-to guy.
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02-26-2009, 07:10 PM
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02-26-2009, 09:31 PM
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Kansas gets beat. I personally cannot fathom a final four for them.
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02-26-2009, 09:32 PM
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02-27-2009, 09:25 AM
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