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blackthroatedwind · #41 02-01-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The deal is done

Santana's great but deals like this make it impossible for most teams to keep their exceptional talents and are forced to trade them for prospects and move on.

pick4 · #42 02-02-2008, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Santana's great but deals like this make it impossible for most teams to keep their exceptional talents and are forced to trade them for prospects and move on.

To be fair the Twins offered Santana a reported 80 million for 4 year extention and he turned it down. But you make a valid point about smaller market teams not being able to afford to keep high end talent.

Once he turned down the offer the Twins had no choice but to trade him. Santana also had a no trade clause in his contract and the Mets were one of the teams he agreed to. As a Mets fan I'm thrilled they were able to acquire the ace they needed.

Mortimer · #43 02-02-2008, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Santana's great but deals like this make it impossible for most teams to keep their exceptional talents and are forced to trade them for prospects and move on.

^^^ Thinks it's the jockey....not the horsey......

Mortimer · #44 02-02-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pick4

To be fair the Twins offered Santana a reported 80 million for 4 year extention and he turned it down. But you make a valid point about smaller market teams not being able to afford to keep high end talent.

Once he turned down the offer the Twins had no choice but to trade him. Santana also had a no trade clause in his contract and the Mets were one of the teams he agreed to. As a Mets fan I'm thrilled they were able to acquire the ace they needed.

^^^ BLECH!

Anyhooo...he went to a sports bar last night. Duane Kuiper was the bartender....told him he wanted a double.

Kuiper replied..."What's a double?"

blackthroatedwind · #45 02-02-2008, 12:29 PM

Did Duane have one or two career homers?

Mortimer · #46 02-02-2008, 12:35 PM

I believe one.

I'm sure MainCourse will say he is one of the greatest second basepersons of all time.

Mortimer · #47 02-02-2008, 12:36 PM

He might have hit 4 or 5 doubles.

blackthroatedwind · #48 02-02-2008, 12:55 PM

When I was a kid I had a friend who talked non-stop about Duane Kuiper.

JJP · #49 02-02-2008, 12:57 PM

Steve Stone has said on a number of occasions that he was the victim of Kuiper's home run.

blackthroatedwind · #50 02-02-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP

Steve Stone has said on a number of occasions that he was the victim of Kuiper's home run.

Was that before or after they robbed Mike Norris and gave Stone the Cy Young?

Mortimer · #51 02-02-2008, 01:51 PM

Hmmmm..that's a good one.

I think before.

Mortimer · #52 02-02-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

When I was a kid I had a friend who talked non-stop about Duane Kuiper.

Must have been his brother.

Kuiper perfected the slapshot dying quail to short left field...were the left fielder was always waiting.

horseofcourse · #53 02-02-2008, 02:14 PM

Kuiper's home run was long before Stone won the Cy Young. It is quite simplistic in all honesty. With a better supporting cast, the Kuiper Indians would have won 3 or 4 World Series'. His bad teammates held him down. If his teammates would have held up their load and hit .340-.360, it would have all been fine. His job was to stop ground balls...it was the rest of the team that couldn't do all the other things that killed them.

Prior to LeBron he was the top professional athlete in Cleveland.

horseofcourse · #54 02-02-2008, 02:18 PM

Back on topic, I believe this Santana signing ended Sabathia's run in Cleveland. I am sure they offered something similar to the Twins' Santana offer in the 4 year range and it was turned down. (This is why the Yanks and Red Sox didn't pull the trigger on Santana...Sabathia is their's after '08 if they want him...and cheaper than Santana as well.)

...after recent beatdowns of Peralta, Sizemore, and LBJ I'm sure Mortimer's crucifiction of the 300lb lefty is soon to follow!!!

Mortimer · #55 02-02-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Kuiper's home run was long before Stone won the Cy Young. It is quite simplistic in all honesty. With a better supporting cast, the Kuiper Indians would have won 3 or 4 World Series'. His bad teammates held him down. If his teammates would have held up their load and hit .340-.360, it would have all been fine. His job was to stop ground balls...it was the rest of the team that couldn't do all the other things that killed them.

Prior to LeBron he was the top professional athlete in Cleveland.

^^ Isn't kidding.

Mortimer · #56 02-02-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Back on topic, I believe this Santana signing ended Sabathia's run in Cleveland. I am sure they offered something similar to the Twins' Santana offer in the 4 year range and it was turned down. (This is why the Yanks and Red Sox didn't pull the trigger on Santana...Sabathia is their's after '08 if they want him...and cheaper than Santana as well.)

...after recent beatdowns of Peralta, Sizemore, and LBJ I'm sure Mortimer's crucifiction of the 300lb lefty is soon to follow!!!

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^^ Only known human to have sat on own head.

GPK · #57 02-02-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Kuiper's home run was long before Stone won the Cy Young. It is quite simplistic in all honesty. With a better supporting cast, the Kuiper Indians would have won 3 or 4 World Series'. His bad teammates held him down. If his teammates would have held up their load and hit .340-.360, it would have all been fine. His job was to stop ground balls...it was the rest of the team that couldn't do all the other things that killed them.

Prior to LeBron he was the top professional athlete in Cleveland.

Larry Nance being a close 3rd I assume..