NFL HoF

Cannon Shell · #1 02-07-2011, 05:34 PM

Why do they only put a max of 5 guys in a year? Just doesn't make sense for guys who should be in have to wait and wait especially when coaches, owners, etc are included in the 5.

Nascar1966 · #2 02-07-2011, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why do they only put a max of 5 guys in a year? Just doesn't make sense for guys who should be in have to wait and wait especially when coaches, owners, etc are included in the 5.

You have brought up a good point. Isn't thier a clause where a player from the yesteryears gets in also?

Cannon Shell · #3 02-07-2011, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966

You have brought up a good point. Isn't thier a clause where a player from the yesteryears gets in also?

Yeah the veterans committee got 2 guys in this year. It seems like baseball has the best system. Get 75% and you are in regardless of how many other guys get in at the same time.

ateamstupid · #4 02-08-2011, 01:36 AM

Curtis got robbed.

ddthetide · #5 02-08-2011, 05:16 AM

5 is to few per season, especially when a clown like deion sanders takes up a spot and Ray Guy is still waiting!

slotdirt · #6 02-08-2011, 08:23 AM

How Cris Carter hasn't been a first ballot HOFer is absolutely incomprehensible.

dalakhani · #7 02-08-2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide

5 is to few per season, especially when a clown like deion sanders takes up a spot and Ray Guy is still waiting!

Ray guy should be in the hall of fame before deion sanders?

witchdoctor · #8 02-08-2011, 10:40 AM

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How Cris Carter hasn't been a first ballot HOFer is absolutely incomprehensible.

It is amazing to me that Chris Carter didn't even make the cut to the final 10. The other thing that is crazy is that they only take 1 running back and 1 pass catcher per each session. Also, having Sabol take one of the 5 slots was crazy. He deserve to be in the Hall but should not count against the 5.

Indian Charlie · #9 02-08-2011, 12:16 PM

Ray Guy absolutely should be in.

I doubt a punter has won as many games for his team as he did.

Nascar1966 · #10 02-08-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah the veterans committee got 2 guys in this year. It seems like baseball has the best system. Get 75% and you are in regardless of how many other guys get in at the same time.

Baseball's way is ok. Either way your are going to have people and the players saying some form of the system is flawed.

slotdirt · #11 02-08-2011, 02:55 PM

Baseball's way would be good if sports writers weren't generally morons.

Cannon Shell · #12 02-08-2011, 03:33 PM

Baseball gets it right almost all of the time now. There are very few guys that belong in that dont get in eventually. There is an incredible amount of players in football that are HoF worthy that aren't in because of the stupid system that they use. With only 5 getting in a year and with spots for players being taken up by non players it will be forever before a Ray Guy gets in. And he surely belongs as probably the best punter, especially compared to his era.

slotdirt · #13 02-08-2011, 03:44 PM

There are, generally speaking, few baseball players who deserve to get in that don't (Bobby Grich and Lou Whitaker excepted), but there are also a massive amount of players in the baseball HOF who have no business being there, more so than the football version. Maybe massive is too strong a word, but there are at least 20 players in the current baseball HOF who I would argue don't belong. I'm looking at you, Orlando Cepeda.

dellinger63 · #14 02-08-2011, 05:52 PM

until RON SANTO gets in GFY BHOF.

ddthetide · #15 02-09-2011, 05:15 AM

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Ray guy should be in the hall of fame before deion sanders?

Ray Guy changed the game and made the punter part of the defense. anyone my age grew up learning to punt a football from Ray Guy! about mid-way through his career he took over the kick-off duties. he was also the #3 QB. he was an excellent athlete.
deion sanders is a freaking joke! he has yet to tackle anyone on a running play. his technique was poor but his speed made up for his mistakes.

ateamstupid · #16 02-09-2011, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

There are, generally speaking, few baseball players who deserve to get in that don't (Bobby Grich and Lou Whitaker excepted), but there are also a massive amount of players in the baseball HOF who have no business being there, more so than the football version. Maybe massive is too strong a word, but there are at least 20 players in the current baseball HOF who I would argue don't belong. I'm looking at you, Orlando Cepeda.

LOL Lou Whitaker

slotdirt · #17 02-09-2011, 08:35 AM

LOL all you want, but the only players above him in WAR for position players that aren't in the HOF are either active (Pujols, Chipper Jones, ARod, Thome), did roids or otherwise cheated (Pete Rose, Bonds), or played in like 1884 (Bill Dahlen). 56th all-time when compared to replacement over the course of his career, higher than guys like Duke Snider, Manny Ramirez, Brooks Robinson, Willie McCovey, Eddie Murray, and Roberto Alomar, to name a few. Sandwiched between future HOF-er Derek Jeter and current HOF-er Al Simmons.

Alan Trammell is underrated and deserves to be in the HOF, but the fact that Lou Whitaker got dropped off the ballot after one year and Ryne Sandberg was easily enshrined is truly one of the biggest travesties in the history of the BBWAA.

GBBob · #18 02-09-2011, 08:36 AM

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LOL all you want, but the only players above him in WAR for position players that aren't in the HOF are either active (Pujols, Chipper Jones, ARod, Thome), did roids or otherwise cheated (Pete Rose, Bonds), or played in like 1884 (Bill Dahlen). 56th all-time when compared to replacement over the course of his career, higher than guys like Duke Snider, Manny Ramirez, Brooks Robinson, Willie McCovey, Eddie Murray, and Roberto Alomar, to name a few. Sandwiched between future HOF-er Derek Jeter and current HOF-er Al Simmons.

Alan Trammell is underrated and deserves to be in the HOF, but the fact that Lou Whitaker got dropped off the ballot after one year and Ryne Sandberg was easily enshrined is truly one of the biggest travesties in the history of the BBWAA.

Pete Rose should be in the HOF

slotdirt · #19 02-09-2011, 08:38 AM

Agreed.

dalakhani · #20 02-09-2011, 09:19 AM

[quote=ddthetide;750472]Ray Guy changed the game and made the punter part of the defense. anyone my age grew up learning to punt a football from Ray Guy! about mid-way through his career he took over the kick-off duties. he was also the #3 QB. he was an excellent athlete.
deion sanders is a freaking joke! he has yet to tackle anyone on a running play. his technique was poor but his speed made up for his mistakes.[/QUOTE

Just to be clear, are you saying that Ray Guy was a better athlete than deion?

Deion is arguably the best corner ever to play and without argument top 5. He defined "shutdown corner" and literally took away an entire side of the field.

If you really believe that Deion was a joke of a player, then you are letting your own personal bias get in the way of objective thought. If you think Ray Guy deserves the hof before deion, that is just a hopelessly bad opinion.