More Brits going to Hong Kong (and the USA) - Page 2

my miss storm cat · #21 08-14-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

But than we couldn't be The Hotties in Blue!

Oh right... what was i thinking?

NoChanceToDance · #22 08-15-2007, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

No, they don't always change them. I'd say more often than not they don't.

Ah, Okay. I lose track of so many horses when their names get changed. It took me forever to realise that Viva Pataca was actually Comic Strip.

my miss storm cat · #23 08-23-2007, 12:37 AM

Okay your boys are finally booked and will arrive on Saturday....

Kid Mambo (to Moore) and St. Phillip (well you already posted he's going to Hall)

From France..... Flash Ram (to Size) and Visionario

(to Woods).

From Ireland, Jopau (to Leung, poor thing) and Eyshal (to Moore)

NoChanceToDance · #24 08-23-2007, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Okay your boys are finally booked and will arrive on Saturday....

Kid Mambo (to Moore) and St. Phillip (well you already posted he's going to Hall)

From France..... Flash Ram (to Size) and Visionario

(to Woods).

From Ireland, Jopau (to Leung, poor thing) and Eyshal (to Moore)

Why do you say that? Is he a nasty trainer or something?

I think you'll some St Philip, mmsc. He is a very good horse on his day, but he likes to have..... how can i put this....... a bit of fun at the track now and again. If he gets it into his head that he isn't going to load in the gates, nothing will get him in them. I remember seeing him at Kempton (i think) he he just stood there with his ears pricked, head held high while people were trying to push him towards the gates.

my miss storm cat · #25 08-23-2007, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Why do you say that? Is he a nasty trainer or something?

I think you'll some St Philip, mmsc. He is a very good horse on his day, but he likes to have..... how can i put this....... a bit of fun at the track now and again. If he gets it into his head that he isn't going to load in the gates, nothing will get him in them. I remember seeing him at Kempton (i think) he he just stood there with his ears pricked, head held high while people were trying to push him towards the gates.

Can't wait to see this one and as far as Mr. Leung?

I say it because I'm a horribly mean person and i think he's mediocre as far as trainers go.

my miss storm cat · #26 09-01-2007, 03:00 PM

Wasn't sure where to put this but this is for Ms. Bloom incase she returns.....

Dave's Best with Douggie up in batch 1.

http://www.hkjc.com/english/press/btrs.asp

my miss storm cat · #27 09-21-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Last year's Lingfield Derby Trial winner Linda's Lad, ridden by Frankie Dettori when finishing ninth behind Sir Percy in the Derby, has left Andre Fabre for the USA.

Woodbine - September 23rd, 2007 - Race 8
Sky Classic S. - Grade: 2
Estimated Local Post Time: 4:27 PM
Race Type: Stakes
Breed: Thoroughbred
Age Restriction: Three Year Old and Upward
Purse: $300,000
Distance: One And Three Eighth Miles
Surface: Turf

1 Royal Challenger (ON)
Jono C. Jones
Stronach Stables
4 Colt 115
Brian A. Lynch
Adena Springs 15/1

2 Sterwins (ON)
Patrick Husbands
Melnyk Racing Stables Inc.
4 Gelding 115
Malcolm Pierce
Eugene Melnyk 10/1

3 Windward Islands (KY)
Todd Kabel
Sam-Son Farm
3 Gelding 115
Mark R. Frostad
Dr. Steve Kramer & Cozzene Syndicate 15/1

4 Last Answer (ON)
Emile Ramsammy
G.Schickedanz
7 Gelding 123
Michael Keogh
Gustav Schickedanz 8/1

5 Marsh Side (KY)
Emma-Jayne Wilson
Robert S. Evans
4 Colt 115
Michael W. Dickinson
Robert S. Evans 12/1

6 Revved Up (FL)
Eddie Castro
Live Oak Plantation
9 Gelding 115
Christophe Clement
Live Oak Stud 3/1

7 Linda's Lad (GB)
Julien R. Leparoux
Sean Mulryan
4 Colt 115
Eddie Kenneally
The Niarchos Family 8/1

8 Shoal Water (ON)
Robert C. Landry
Sam-Son Farm
7 Gelding 115
Mark R. Frostad
Sam-Son Farm 15/1

9 Pellegrino (BRZ)
Chantal Sutherland
Gary A. Tanaka
8 Horse 117
Roger L. Attfield
Haras Equilia 15/1

10 Eccentric (GB)
David Clark
Gary A. Tanaka
6 Gelding 123
Roger L. Attfield
A. S. Reid 5/1

11 Cloudy's Knight (KY)
Ramsey Zimmerman
Sj Stables LLC
7 Gelding 121
Frank J. Kirby
Jerrold Schwartz 4/1

NoChanceToDance · #28 09-21-2007, 04:17 PM

Has he raced out there before this??

Interesting to see that Sean Mulryan still owns him.

my miss storm cat · #29 09-21-2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Has he raced out there before this??

Interesting to see that Sean Mulryan still owns him.

Not sure... forgot to put him in my VS and i don't have pp's.

Gotta love the old guy, Revved Up but alas..... a nice field.

my miss storm cat · #30 10-05-2007, 10:38 AM

Uh oh.

Here, No Chance.

驊綵
It means Elite Champion and it's St. Phillip's new name.

* * *

From SCMP.....

A good idea.

What's in a name? More turnover if identity is revealed

ON THE RAILS, with ALAN AITKEN

In the era of globalisation, the Jockey Club might do well to investigate what can be done about ensuring that overseas punters are aware of the underlying identity of the horses on which they bet.
Particularly with reference to Europe and Australasia, the almost-routine name change horses receive when they arrive in Hong Kong for their new owners often serves to muddy the waters for players in foreign countries.

One good example from Monday's racing is Enthused, who was carving a very promising career as Let's Migrate in Melbourne, including defeat of a subsequent Group One performer at his final start.

Doubtless punters in Australia would be more encouraged to back the horse in his Hong Kong races knowing his previous name, but when they look on the field lists at the name Enthused, it means little to them.

And, of course, there are many, many other similar cases.

One suggestion is that since Hong Kong owners give their horses a Chinese name as well, they should not be allowed to alter the English name, but this column doesn't think that's very fair to owners who have spent significant money to buy the rights, including naming rights, to their horse. Perhaps field listings in other jurisdictions betting on Hong Kong should always carry the extra detail, ex-Let's Migrate (Australia) for example.

It's a small thing, but might add up to some turnover bucks in the commingling future.

NoChanceToDance · #31 10-05-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Uh oh.

Here, No Chance.

驊綵
It means Elite Champion and it's St. Phillip's new name.

* * *

From SCMP.....

A good idea.

What's in a name? More turnover if identity is revealed

ON THE RAILS, with ALAN AITKEN

In the era of globalisation, the Jockey Club might do well to investigate what can be done about ensuring that overseas punters are aware of the underlying identity of the horses on which they bet.
Particularly with reference to Europe and Australasia, the almost-routine name change horses receive when they arrive in Hong Kong for their new owners often serves to muddy the waters for players in foreign countries.

One good example from Monday's racing is Enthused, who was carving a very promising career as Let's Migrate in Melbourne, including defeat of a subsequent Group One performer at his final start.

Doubtless punters in Australia would be more encouraged to back the horse in his Hong Kong races knowing his previous name, but when they look on the field lists at the name Enthused, it means little to them.

And, of course, there are many, many other similar cases.

One suggestion is that since Hong Kong owners give their horses a Chinese name as well, they should not be allowed to alter the English name, but this column doesn't think that's very fair to owners who have spent significant money to buy the rights, including naming rights, to their horse. Perhaps field listings in other jurisdictions betting on Hong Kong should always carry the extra detail, ex-Let's Migrate (Australia) for example.

It's a small thing, but might add up to some turnover bucks in the commingling future.

It's not a small thing at all. I understand that the new owners pay a lot of money to get these different names, but for someone like myself who has followed a horse for two, three, maybe four years and then all of a sudden it has disappeared off the face of the planet. We don't always hear about horses that have been sold over there. I knew nothing about Kalaman until he had already been out there a couple years.

I don't agree with it, but i know they have every right to do so. However, i do wish they would print their old names as well as their new ones. It would makes it much more appealing to the european racing fan, especially me who would love to follow Hong Kong racing but i don't know who is who out there of the ex european horses.

my miss storm cat · #32 10-05-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

It's not a small thing at all. I understand that the new owners pay a lot of money to get these different names, but for someone like myself who has followed a horse for two, three, maybe four years and then all of a sudden it has disappeared off the face of the planet. We don't always hear about horses that have been sold over there. I knew nothing about Kalaman until he had already been out there a couple years.

I don't agree with it, but i know they have every right to do so. However, i do wish they would print their old names as well as their new ones. It would makes it much more appealing to the european racing fan, especially me who would love to follow Hong Kong racing but i don't know who is who out there of the ex european horses.

The part that you're not understanding is the heat the SCMP guys have gotten in the past six months or so from the HKJC.

Sometimes things are worded carefully but at least they published this.

The HKJC isn't thrilled with certain pieces that they've done and as you know they're VERY powerful.

You go, SCMP!

NoChanceToDance · #33 10-05-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

The part that you're not understanding is the heat the SCMP guys have gotten in the past six months or so from the HKJC.

Sometimes things are worded carefully but at least they published this.

The HKJC isn't thrilled with certain pieces that they've done and as you know they're VERY powerful.

You go, SCMP!

The HKJC is still run by the Mafia, right?

my miss storm cat · #34 10-05-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

The HKJC is still run by the Mafia, right?

Not that I'm aware of but they have a LOT of power.

It started with a quote from Danny last season..... something very disrespectful.

I mean, the hourglass was turned back then. The Sacred Kingdom nightmare...

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16692

... ummm, well see in it what you will.

It was only a matter of time.

my miss storm cat · #35 10-16-2007, 08:49 AM

Maybe his new name will be Helene Win.....

Salford Mill sold to continue racing career in Hong Kong

by Tony Elves

DERBY also-ran Salford Mill has been sold for an undisclosed sum to continue his racing career in Hong Kong and is likely to leave Newmarket in around two weeks time.

The son of Peintre Celebre landed the Listed Newmarket Stakes on the Rowley Mile course by length and a quarter from Acapulco before finishing sixth of 17 to Authorized at Epsom, where he didn't have the best of luck in running.

Salford Mill has his final start for David Elsworth in the Group 3 Arc Trial at Newbury last month and his trainer expects him to prove a very useful acquisition to Hong Kong.
Elsworth said: “Salford Mill has gone into quarantine and is going to Hong Kong in a couple of weeks' time.

“He was a lovely horse and we reluctantly sold him but it was a commercial decision and money speaks all languages. He looks the sort to improve considerably and I would have loved to have been able to train him next year but there you go.”

my miss storm cat · #36 10-25-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

by David Carr
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DERBY seventh Kid Mambo has been sold for a ‘significant' sum and is to leave Terry Mills's yard to continue his racing career in the far east.

The colt, who finished third in the Lingfield Derby Trial and was then beaten just over ten lengths behind Authorized at Epsom, had his last run in owner Jeff Daniels' colours when fourth in the Hampton Court Stakes at Royal Ascot.

“He has been sold to race for an owner in Hong Kong and he's currently in quarantine,” Mills's assistant Richard Ryan said on Monday.

“It's very sad to see him go - it always is when you lose a smart horse - and there was probably a bit more to come from him.

“He's a big, strapping, strong horse and he is out of a half-sister to Selkirk who improved with age.

“He was very tough and genuine and a pleasure to train. He was very progressive at two and he carried that forward this year. “It's very sad but it is a business. The owner has a number of horses with us and he hasto rationalise when a nice profit is available - he went for a significant sum.”

Also leaving for Hong Kong is St Philip, who finished third in the Britannia Stakes at Royal Ascot for trainer Ralph Beckett. He is set to become a stablemate of Hong Kong sprint star Absolute Champion in the yard of David Hall.

Last year's Lingfield Derby Trial winner Linda's Lad, ridden by Frankie Dettori when finishing ninth behind Sir Percy in the Derby, has left Andre Fabre for the USA.

Owner Sean Mulryan's racing manager Herve Barjot said: “He has gone to Eddie Kenneally in Keeneland.

“We think there are a lot of good races for him over there, especially over a mile and a half on turf. He has been there for about two months and we hope he will be ready to run in September.”

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Watch out for St Philip, MMSC. He is the sort of horse i think you will like (he sometimes has a mind of his own)

Oh! I found your other boy (Kid Mambo) and guess who bought him???

Dr. Ho!

(Stanley Ho Hong Sun, Macau gazillionaire and owner of the two Vivas).

A couple of workouts with Beadman up in company with Classic Reunion, Amsterdam...

No swimming.....

His new name? He's the 3rd Viva.....

VIVA HONG KONG!

NoChanceToDance · #37 10-25-2007, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Oh! I found your other boy (Kid Mambo) and guess who bought him???

Dr. Ho!

(Stanley Ho Hong Sun, Macau gazillionaire and owner of the two Vivas).

A couple of workouts with Beadman up in company with Classic Reunion, Amsterdam...

No swimming.....

His new name? He's the 3rd Viva.....

VIVA HONG KONG!

Love the name.

Really hoping this kid can do well over there.