FG 4

All things equal, when the turf rail is out the pace is slower! Horses run slower on turns. The slower the pace, the better chance speed has of holding.

Conversely, when the race is on the hedge the starting gate is moved up the stretch. The pace is faster (horses run faster on straights) and favors closers. BBB

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

[quote=bellsbendboy]a "ridiculous liar" as I post ALL my bets. You can count on me hitting a pick 4 every month or so and banking at least ten grand by years end. As for being a cheap shot artist, I am not at all politically correct, and am deeply opinionated yet sorry if I offended anyone.
in the last 8 months you have posted 1 winning pick 4 here and it was under my selections where i gave out the same horses....sorry if i offended you..bbb...

DaHoss,

Thanks for the "welcome," although I must say that I feel somewhat less than welcome.

In post #17 of this thread, blackthroatedwind (or whatever his moniker is), said, in reply to BBB: "You won't 'out handicap' them." So, it's not exactly true that no one has questioned, at least to some extent, the ability of the gentleman to handicap. In reply, I merely related my own observations of BBB's handicapping prowess.

Adding my own thoughts on the subject, I would agree that the proposition "you won't out handicap them" is accurate insofar as the Pick 6 is concerned. There, the carryover provides the profit potential, and generally you have to make a healthy-sized bet in order to be in a position to take full advantage of it. However, as far as the no-carryover Pick 4 goes, no matter the size of your plays you have to "out-handicap" most others in order to win in the long run. As BBB is mostly a Pick 4 player, his concept of out-handicapping others is not just reasonable, it is essential.

As far as me "plugging" another forum is concerned, believe me that was the farthest thing from my mind, as I have no interest in promoting anyhthing. I included the reference to the other forum as a convenience for readers who may be interested in checking out whether what I said regarding BBB's record is true -- they can go to the forum and look into the matter -- although I am not sure how far back the archived posts go.

Finally, I've only been a member of this board for a few weeks and I've not reviewed a large number of threads, so I am not sure if this particular thread is representative, but if BBB has taken on some kind of an attitude or an air of superiority here, as you imply, perhaps it is because he has been forced into a defensive posture by the remarks of others. That has been my experience, at least, after but a single trip to the post (no pun intended) on this circuit.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

welcome ......im glad your posting....in regaurds to b-3..he has made many comments about his "god like' capping ability...however..he seems to know what he is doing...yet his claims are far fetched as far as what he has put out on this board...so wile he may have done well on another board.. his results here are suspect....many of the regulars on this board have put out on a daily and weekly basis good and accrurate plays for all to use..this sites founder for one steve byk a pro player in his own right...has made money for the masses from day one..we as a whole are a very well educated horse board and there are many good opinions here..so again welcome...






hooves..

[Scav]

Originally Posted by RealBigD

DaHoss,

Thanks for the "welcome," although I must say that I feel somewhat less than welcome.

In post #17 of this thread, blackthroatedwind (or whatever his moniker is), said, in reply to BBB: "You won't 'out handicap' them." So, it's not exactly true that no one has questioned, at least to some extent, the ability of the gentleman to handicap. In reply, I merely related my own observations of BBB's handicapping prowess.

Adding my own thoughts on the subject, I would agree that the proposition "you won't out handicap them" is accurate insofar as the Pick 6 is concerned. There, the carryover provides the profit potential, and generally you have to make a healthy-sized bet in order to be in a position to take full advantage of it. However, as far as the no-carryover Pick 4 goes, no matter the size of your plays you have to "out-handicap" most others in order to win in the long run. As BBB is mostly a Pick 4 player, his concept of out-handicapping others is not just reasonable, it is essential.

As far as me "plugging" another forum is concerned, believe me that was the farthest thing from my mind, as I have no interest in promoting anyhthing. I included the reference to the other forum as a convenience for readers who may be interested in checking out whether what I said regarding BBB's record is true -- they can go to the forum and look into the matter -- although I am not sure how far back the archived posts go.

Finally, I've only been a member of this board for a few weeks and I've not reviewed a large number of threads, so I am not sure if this particular thread is representative, but if BBB has taken on some kind of an attitude or an air of superiority here, as you imply, perhaps it is because he has been forced into a defensive posture by the remarks of others. That has been my experience, at least, after but a single trip to the post (no pun intended) on this circuit.

You write really well (not trying to bust your balls, serious skills right there)

To respond to above, it is great around here but the one piece of advice that I can give ANY new person is self-promotion. That will get you the most crap. You will get all the praise in the world when you hit a bomb, just don't be asking for it, you feel me?

I mean, when I grab something huge, like the Delta Downs hit from a while back, I mainly post the tickets to 'prove' that I have it, and also to possibly help someone with structuring tickets, which I feel I am above average with. I have stayed away from the whole BBB thing because alot of it is insane, but he started off on the wrong foot, I don't see you doing that whatsoever

[blackthroatedwind]

Am I the only one that finds it extremely amusing that everytime there is a BBB discussion some " poster " comes out of the woodwork with his ( or her ) first post telling us about all his successes and giving us a link to another board? Of course, they can't reference his plays here, as all of those have been losing ones.

It's kind of the handicapping version of " you should see the other guy ".



By the way, the entire notion of " out-handicapping " someones shows a complete misunderstanding of what playing the horses is all about. There are a lot of terrific handicappers out there who have no clue whatsoever how to make money. The most successful horseplayer I know, and he's VERY successful, has a terrible opinion. I think I'm a pretty good handicapper....I also probably chose the wrong road.

This thread gets my approval. Five markers.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Am I the only one that finds it extremely amusing that everytime there is a BBB discussion some " poster " comes out of the woodwork with his ( or her ) first post telling us about all his successes and giving us a link to another board? Of course, they can't reference his plays here, as all of those have been losing ones.

It's kind of the handicapping version of " you should see the other guy ".



By the way, the entire notion of " out-handicapping " someones shows a complete misunderstanding of what playing the horses is all about. There are a lot of terrific handicappers out there who have no clue whatsoever how to make money. The most successful horseplayer I know, and he's VERY successful, has a terrible opinion. I think I'm a pretty good handicapper....I also probably chose the wrong road.

word

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

word times 2..and im done with this...andy you really have done enough..lol..

[Scav]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

word times 2..and im done with this...andy you really have done enough..lol..

Retire Andy, you could make some money in the shed

[packerbacker7964]

I guess I'd like to add bet your own way. It's your cash do with it what you want. I know people who box 3-4 every race. An old man at the OTB bet his house number for a Super at GP and hit for $48,000. I bet $6-$10 a race. Other than pick 3's every once in awhile I'll bet a large win bet $100 or less. I need to learn how to only bet races I can win without going $30-$50 deep. I hate spending almost a 1/3 of my bankroll on one bet. Not knocking others ways to bet more just saying not everyone bets the same way. Just like Al Davis says "just win baby" that's the bottom line.

Scav:

I appreciate your nice comments about my writing; thank you. I get lots of practice as I am a lawyer by trade.

DaHoss:

I'm not sure what you mean to imply by saying that it is "very coincidental" that I am making my first posts here. Basically, until now I have had little or nothing to contribute. I have been handicapping for many years, but I joined here just a few weeks ago. I work full time (see above), and my wife and I had our first baby three and a half months ago -- I could provide a link to baby pics but would not want to be accused of "plugging" my son. So, while I love racing and handicapping, unfortunately I have had little opportunity to follow the sport recently, as other responsibilities have been keeping me rather busy. I'm hoping that will change in the coming months.

The dialogue here is on a high plane -- there are indeed many fine handicappers and analysts on this board -- and bottom line is that I haven't had anything to say that would advance the discussion. The one exception is that I do have some first-hand knowledge of BBB, so I decided to share that.

I look forward to participating on the board as time will allow, and I hope to develop a good relationship with everyone here. Let's be friends. Good luck.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by RealBigD

Scav:

I appreciate your nice comments about my writing; thank you. I get lots of practice as I am a lawyer by trade.

DaHoss:

I'm not sure what you mean to imply by saying that it is "very coincidental" that I am making my first posts here. Basically, until now I have had little or nothing to contribute. I have been handicapping for many years, but I joined here just a few weeks ago. I work full time (see above), and my wife and I had our first baby three and a half months ago -- I could provide a link to baby pics but would not want to be accused of "plugging" my son. So, while I love racing and handicapping, unfortunately I have had little opportunity to follow the sport recently, as other responsibilities have been keeping me rather busy. I'm hoping that will change in the coming months.

The dialogue here is on a high plane -- there are indeed many fine handicappers and analysts on this board -- and bottom line is that I haven't had anything to say that would advance the discussion. The one exception is that I do have some first-hand knowledge of BBB, so I decided to share that.

I look forward to participating on the board as time will allow, and I hope to develop a good relationship with everyone here. Let's be friends. Good luck.

You really need to stick around now, I always do stupid things and could use a lawyer to talk to. Next time I do something ridiculous, you'll be the first person I PM

Do you really have a real big d?

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Do you really have a real big d?

As far as how I chose my forum name, it's a long story (pun intended). But the answer is, not particularly.

Scav,

If you get busted in Louisiana, I can help you. Elsewhere, you're on your own. But I'm always willing to offer advice.

[hailrazer]

Originally Posted by RealBigD

Scav,

If you get busted in Louisiana, I can help you. Elsewhere, you're on your own. But I'm always willing to offer advice.

Dear RealBigD,

I have recently gotten myself into a pickle and was wondering if you could help me out. I don't want to reveal my true identity here so lets just say my name is "Nole Corman". I recently accidentally killed a woman while at the wheel. Lots of suspicion due to reports from other drivers that I was driving erratically before the collision. I'm back home in Louisiana now but the crash happened in Ark. Any chance you can keep me from being hauled back to Hot Springs to face the music?

All My Love,
Nole

Originally Posted by hailrazer

Dear RealBigD,

I have recently gotten myself into a pickle and was wondering if you could help me out. I don't want to reveal my true identity here so lets just say my name is "Nole Corman". I recently accidentally killed a woman while at the wheel. Lots of suspicion due to reports from other drivers that I was driving erratically before the collision. I'm back home in Louisiana now but the crash happened in Ark. Any chance you can keep me from being hauled back to Hot Springs to face the music?

All My Love,
Nole

Dear Nole,

Sorry, but you are a longshot to avoid prosecution in Arkansas. Please be aware that you face a sentence of 3 to 10 years of imprisonment if you are found to have been intoxicated at the time of the crash. I advise you to retain an Arkansas attorney if you've not done so already.

Some have said that you -- and your horses -- could benefit from a long period of detoxification. I wish you the best.

RBD

[Rudeboyelvis]

Real BigD,

Sorry to inundate you with requests for your legal opinions, but my guess is that by stating your line of work here you might be open to offereing one or two.

Let's say I publicly accused a jockey of race fixing on a internet forum with no basis of fact, only conjecture and wild conspircy theories.

Have I opened myself to a liebel or slander suit by said jockey? What is the difference between libel and slander? Would this be a civil action solely, or could there be criminal implications and possible prosicution at hand as well?

Thanks, your responses are valued and appreciated.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Real BigD,

Sorry to inundate you with requests for your legal opinions, but my guess is that by stating your line of work here you might be open to offereing one or two.

Let's say I publicly accused a jockey of race fixing on a internet forum with no basis of fact, only conjecture and wild conspircy theories.

Have I opened myself to a liebel or slander suit by said jockey? What is the difference between libel and slander? Would this be a civil action solely, or could there be criminal implications and possible prosicution at hand as well?

Thanks, your responses are valued and appreciated.

Good question. It's probably pretty smart of you to ask a question like that before you did something that outrageous. Good looking out.