Need Some "Tax" Info from the Masses!

[oilertige]

Was @ Scioto Downs in Columbus on Saturday w/ brother betting a few races and taking in the KnS race! We were able to hit a trifecta that we needed to sign; that's always a good thing! I thought I've read on here in the past that 2 people can split the taxes owed on such a ticket since they split the cost of the ticket/winnings. When I asked at the window, they stated that they never had heard of this option? Did I dream this or can you indeed "split" the taxes owed among multiple people? Just wondering . . .

[Scav]

Originally Posted by oilertige

Was @ Scioto Downs in Columbus on Saturday w/ brother betting a few races and taking in the KnS race! We were able to hit a trifecta that we needed to sign; that's always a good thing! I thought I've read on here in the past that 2 people can split the taxes owed on such a ticket since they split the cost of the ticket/winnings. When I asked at the window, they stated that they never had heard of this option? Did I dream this or can you indeed "split" the taxes owed among multiple people? Just wondering . . .

You can, there is a specific form that you can fill out that can assign %'s of the ticket to many individuals.

I am guessing you had to 'sign' for it because you played the ticket for $2.

This is a perfect example of why any tickets you play should be of the $1 variety. If you would have played it for $1, and punched the ticket twice, you wouldn't have to sign.

[atolunch]

Its a "signer" if the payout is greater than $600 to $1. I've had several .10c superfecta signers hits.

Am I missing something, what do you mean by it was played for $2, and wouldn't have to sign if played for $1?

My understanding is how much the ticket is played for has no impact on if its a signer or not. For example, if you play a ticket for $400 to win and the horse pays $4 to win, you'll cash for $800, but that's not a "signer" even though the payout exceeds the limit.

Please explain further, if I'm wrong.

Not trying to start trouble, just curious if I should be playing things a different way when I place wagers.

Thanks in advance.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by atolunch

Its a "signer" if the payout is greater than $600 to $1. I've had several .10c superfecta signers hits.

Am I missing something, what do you mean by it was played for $2, and wouldn't have to sign if played for $1?

My understanding is how much the ticket is played for has no impact on if its a signer or not. For example, if you play a ticket for $400 to win and the horse pays $4 to win, you'll cash for $800, but that's not a "signer" even though the payout exceeds the limit.

Please explain further, if I'm wrong.

Not trying to start trouble, just curious if I should be playing things a different way when I place wagers.

Thanks in advance.

It is 300-1 AND $600 or more total. So if you had two separate $1 tickets that each paid $450 you wouldn't have to sign for them. If you had one $2 ticket that paid $900 you would have to sign for it. That's why it is better to break your tickets up.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by atolunch

Its a "signer" if the payout is greater than $600 to $1. I've had several .10c superfecta signers hits.

Am I missing something, what do you mean by it was played for $2, and wouldn't have to sign if played for $1?

My understanding is how much the ticket is played for has no impact on if its a signer or not. For example, if you play a ticket for $400 to win and the horse pays $4 to win, you'll cash for $800, but that's not a "signer" even though the payout exceeds the limit.

Please explain further, if I'm wrong.

Not trying to start trouble, just curious if I should be playing things a different way when I place wagers.

Thanks in advance.

Ok, no problem explaining. The tax code was written for $2 base tickets, so if you notice, it says either 300/1 or $602 per wager, or something to that effect.

Lets say you play these two tickets on the same race

$2 Trifecta 1 with 2,3,4,5,6 with 2,3,4,5,6 Total $40

$1 Trifecta 1 with 2,3,4,5,6 with 2,3,4,5,6 Total $20

The $2 trifecta payout is $800.

You would have to sign for the $2 ticket because it is over the 602 level, and you could walk up to a machine and put the $1 ticket in and there would be no problem because it isn't OVER the $602 level.

[atolunch]

Thanks!

I never knew about the 300/1 rule, always went by the $602.

Need to keep that in mind, especially if .50 tri's and .10 sups are available. Much better playing seperate multiple tix than one big one. Which was your point exactly, Scav, sorry, I can be a little slooowww sometimes.

Why make anything easy on the customers??

[robfla]

Originally Posted by oilertige

Was @ Scioto Downs in Columbus on Saturday w/ brother betting a few races and taking in the KnS race! We were able to hit a trifecta that we needed to sign; that's always a good thing! I thought I've read on here in the past that 2 people can split the taxes owed on such a ticket since they split the cost of the ticket/winnings. When I asked at the window, they stated that they never had heard of this option? Did I dream this or can you indeed "split" the taxes owed among multiple people? Just wondering . . .

IRS Form 5754.


http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f5754.pdf

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by atolunch

Its a "signer" if the payout is greater than $600 to $1. I've had several .10c superfecta signers hits.

Am I missing something, what do you mean by it was played for $2, and wouldn't have to sign if played for $1?

My understanding is how much the ticket is played for has no impact on if its a signer or not. For example, if you play a ticket for $400 to win and the horse pays $4 to win, you'll cash for $800, but that's not a "signer" even though the payout exceeds the limit.

Please explain further, if I'm wrong.

Not trying to start trouble, just curious if I should be playing things a different way when I place wagers.

Thanks in advance.

In the example of the $400 to win that pays $800, you're not signing, unless something has changed recently.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

In the example of the $400 to win that pays $800, you're not signing, unless something has changed recently.

that's what was originally said

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by robfla

that's what was originally said

Yeah, I was just clarifying that not every bet over $600 is a signer, that's all.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by robfla

IRS Form 5754.


http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f5754.pdf

Thanks man, I couldn't remember what form...

And no problem Ato. It took me forever to understand because it makes zero logical sense, but nothing in this industry makes sense

[oilertige]

Originally Posted by Scav

You can, there is a specific form that you can fill out that can assign %'s of the ticket to many individuals.

I am guessing you had to 'sign' for it because you played the ticket for $2.

This is a perfect example of why any tickets you play should be of the $1 variety. If you would have played it for $1, and punched the ticket twice, you wouldn't have to sign.

Thanks for the info and the link to the form; thought it could be done. And Scavs, this WAS a $1 bet . . . just wish I did punch it a second time!

[Scav]

Originally Posted by oilertige

Thanks for the info and the link to the form; thought it could be done. And Scavs, this WAS a $1 bet . . . just wish I did punch it a second time!

Then they have some jacked up machines. Because I hit a bet this weekend that paid $450 per $1 and I didn't have to sign anything...

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by Scav

Thanks man, I couldn't remember what form...

And no problem Ato. It took me forever to understand because it makes zero logical sense, but nothing in this industry makes sense

not much dealing with the IRS ever makes sense!

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by oilertige

Thanks for the info and the link to the form; thought it could be done. And Scavs, this WAS a $1 bet . . . just wish I did punch it a second time!

A $1 tri on the KnS race shouldn't be a signer... equibase lists the payout as $404.80.... which is under $600.

Liked the odds on KnS, as my sister was in town visiting and both cashed tickets on her!!!!

[herkhorse]

Oilertige said he hit a signer- not on KNS race.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

Oilertige said he hit a signer- not on KNS race.

Good reading skills......my bad

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by Scav

Good reading skills......my bad

me too.

[pick4]

If you are partners in wagering tickets and you hit a signer there is a way to split the tax liabilty. You need to download IRS Form 5754 from the IRS website along with the instructions.

This thread has made me laugh at each answer. no one asked what race he bet, for how much and what the payoff was. it must be Monday.