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10-01-2009, 02:39 PM
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10/3 (BEL): JCGC, Hirsch, Beldame, Flower Bowl, Vosburgh (G1's)
6TH (3:23) Beldame S. (G1)
1 1/8 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $600,000 1 Music Note Maragh R 123 L 2 Captain's Lover (SAF) Velazquez J R 123 L 3 Unbridled Belle Dominguez R A 123 Blk-Off L 4 Copper State Bridgmohan S X 123 L 5 With Flying Colors Castellano J J 123 Blk-Off L A-Coupled: Captain's Lover (SAF) and Unbridled Belle 7TH (3:59) Vosburgh S. (G1) 6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000 1 Go Go Shoot Maragh R 124 L 2 Peace Chant Desormeaux K J 124 L 3 Munnings Velazquez J R 122 L 4 Kodiak Kowboy Bridgmohan S X 124 L 5 Fabulous Strike Dominguez R A 124 L 8TH (4:35) Flower Bowl Invitational S. (G1) 1 1/4 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $600,000 1 Leamington Prado E S 119 L 2 Pure Clan Leparoux J R 121 L 3 Dynaforce Desormeaux K J 123 L 4 Criticism (GB) Castellano J J 121 L 5 Carribean Sunset (IRE) Dominguez R A 119 L 6 Beauty O' Gwaun (IRE) Dominguez R A 115 Blk-On FTL 7 Queen of Hearts Espinoza J L 119 L 8 Moneycantbuymelove (IRE) Spencer J P 115 FTL A-Coupled: Carribean Sunset (IRE) and Beauty O' Gwaun (IRE) 9TH (5:09) Joe Hirsch Turf Classic Invitational S. (G1) 1 1/2 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $600,000 1 Interpatation Albarado R J 126 L 2 Al Khali Desormeaux K J 121 L 3 Telling Castellano J J 126 L 4 Musketier (GER) Prado E S 126 L 5 Gio Ponti Dominguez R A 126 L 6 Winchester Dominguez R A 126 L 7 Ready's Echo Velazquez J R 126 L 8 Presious Passion Trujillo E 126 L 9 Grand Couturier (GB) Garcia Alan 126 L A-Coupled: Gio Ponti and Winchester 10TH (5:43) Jockey Club Gold Cup S. (G1) 1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000 1 Sette E Mezzo Dominguez R A 126 L 2 Macho Again Albarado R J 126 L 3 Summer Bird Desormeaux K J 122 L 4 Tizway Maragh R 126 L 5 Asiatic Boy (ARG) Garcia Alan 126 Blk-On L 6 Dry Martini Prado E S 126 L 7 Quality Road Velazquez J R 122 L
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10-01-2009, 03:26 PM
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Nice gold cup!
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10-01-2009, 03:34 PM
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10-01-2009, 03:37 PM
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10-01-2009, 03:44 PM
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10-01-2009, 04:07 PM
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10-01-2009, 04:12 PM
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This is the only meet where G1 DIRT races are being offered. (Or so I hear on the NYRA show.) EVERYBODY knows that DIRT is superior to the other surfaces, don't they? And, it then follows that EVERYONE would be in NY running for G1 money on the dirt, right? Horses really shouldn't be running on POLY, right?  Yeah, the HUGE fields at BEL really bear this out. NYRA and its whipped DIRT followers will soon realize that times are changing. Maybe they'll take another race off the turf tomorrow. Yippee. Last edited by the_fat_man : 10-01-2009 at 04:26 PM.
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10-01-2009, 04:14 PM
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10-01-2009, 05:46 PM
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I think it's more the number of races than the surface. As Parsix says, there aren't a lot of horses that are running in other areas that you could say for certainty would be in NY if the BC wasn't on synthetic.
Isn't Awesome Gem a California based runner? He's running in the Hawthorne Gold Cup. I just think it's a matter of so many races and spots to chose from that people look for easy ones, an obvious exception being Cocoa Beach going to take on Zenyatta but even that comes because of the stable having so many horses looking at the same races.
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10-01-2009, 08:25 PM
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When Zenyatta shows up in the Lady's Secret, they'll probably have a short field; same thing is likely when Icon Project and Forever Together run at Keeneland next weekend. One thing about the Vosburgh: I wish that they would return it to 7F. It was a far more interesting race when contested at 7F than it has been since shortened to 6F to coincide with the distance of the BC Sprint.
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10-02-2009, 05:29 AM
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10-02-2009, 07:21 AM
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The filly/mare main track (Beldame) and sprint (Vos) division races were impacted by the glut of similar stakes on the schedule around the country and the synthetic track opportunities for same in a year where the Breeders Cup is being run on a synthetic track. And it must be just you that feels like the Beldame runners have been banging heads repeatedly, because among Music Note, the Team Valor pair, Copper State and With Flying Colors, only Copper State and Unbridled Belle have ever been in the same race: the 2008 Obeah.
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10-02-2009, 07:51 AM
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They should cancel all 5 of them and run 5 claiming turf sprints.
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10-02-2009, 08:15 AM
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You don't think stakes coordinator Andrew Byrne and PJ Campo were hustling to get every possible nominee and entrant they could for these races?
Steve I can only comment on the result and not the attempt. And the result of 4 and 5 horse grade 1 fields is on a regular basis is truly pathetic. Instead of the blind and idol claim that nothing was done to fill the entry box better, I'd love to hear the names of the horses that were appropriate for these spots. And since they only pay for the top five finishers, who exactly of those staggering cheap claimers from those forthcoming lists were going to finish ahead of the Beldame or Vosburgh runners? I don't have the answers and it is not my job to find the answers. I am simply Joe Public; a consumer of their product and 4 / 5 horse graded stakes on a regular basis in my opinion is a piss poor product. As customer it is of no interest to me the reasons why. In any other business those that fail to deliver the desired results are replaced by others who could or who you think could. Eventually you find someone who does or your business fails. And it must be just you that feels like because among Music Note, the Team Valor pair, Copper State and With Flying Colors, only Copper State and Unbridled Belle have ever been in the same race: the 2008 Obeah  I stand corrected, I guess its the 4 horse fields that are Ground Hog Day to me. Racing is truly a funny business. IT is the only business that attacks its customers when they complain about the product and then wonders why they are losing customers. Still love the show.
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10-02-2009, 08:19 AM
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Kinda sad Bob. Whats he got? 5 wins from 45 or so starts? Clearly Grade I calibur
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10-02-2009, 08:31 AM
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10-02-2009, 08:51 AM
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Frankly, I don't get the complaint about 'the product'. The 'product' has been great, really, all year. Are fields stretched thin these weeks with Oak Tree, Belmont, Turfway and then Keeneland stacked up on top of each other? Yeah. Read Crist's piece about this from last weekend. There aren't enough top horses to fill every stake.. And people have selective memories if they think every stake historically had overflow fields 10, 20, 40 and 75 years ago. They didn't. As a snapshot, Kelso was in fields of 8, 7, 6, 4 and 6 when he won his 5 straight Gold Cups in the 60's. There are too many stakes that are similarly conditioned that are run near each other that siphon the horses, and the landscape has changed so that a place like Presque Isle Downs is a legitimate venue to run your horse if you're considering a Breeders' Cup try this year. Why does the $750k Cotillion have to be run this week? Why shouldn't those 3yo fillies be facing off against elders already in a race like the Beldame the way Quality Road and Summer Bird are facing elders in the JCGC? (How about running the Cotillion on the Pennsylvania Derby card? It gets a little close to the Alabama, but you get the idea..) What's really more accurate about the business of racing, is that it's a game where the customers are rarely if ever satisfied, and are constantly searching for things about which to complain. Revel in the next of a series of weekends of generally outstanding racing, instead of focusing on less than ideal circumstances of things that are hard to control in the environment as it currently exists. The Beldame, at the last second, surprisingly lost a 6th horse that made it a very good race. As for the Vosburgh, it's a great race with the 5 it got. Generally, small stake fields are indicators of horses present that are standouts... Like Fabulous Strike, Go Go Shoot and Munnings. Get a copy of Champions and look at the field sizes of some of the famous historic races over the years. It will be an eye-opener.
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