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Class C Positive Reported on Oaks Day
I refuse to link to anything Joe Drape writes but he is reporting that two people close to the situation are saying it was Gamine....again. If true, not sure what to say. Why is it so hard to follow the rules?
Here is the story from TDN https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.co...4D5V6g.twitter |
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Gamine is a damn junkie!
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It is absolutely incredible how few members of the racing media have even acknowledged this story.
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Unfortunately I don’t think many even care.
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Probably true.
What they do always seem to care about is that Drape is the one "breaking" these stories. Don't they realize that their silence/complicity on these issues is the cause of Drape being the messenger of these inconvenient facts. |
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"Importantly, the veterinarian followed established medical and regulatory guidelines in administering the medication. The withdrawal guidelines published by the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission recommend that the medication not be given within 14 days of a race. In this instance, as an additional layer of protection, Gamine’s veterinarian last treated her with betamethasone 18 days before the Oaks." And "Trainers and veterinarians must be able to rely on guidelines given them by racing officials. If they are told by regulators that a medication will clear a horses system in 14 days, they must be able to rely on that information.”
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Somehow all of the other trainers on both days were able to be clean. But Baffert wasn’t again. Intentional or not...isn’t it time the face of the sport cleans up a little?
How many positives are enough? The problem is that people don’t care. That’s why he keeps pushing the envelope as much as possible. The rules are in place for a reason. Think about how little you have to care about rules to have two horses DQ’d on Arkansas Derby Day and then have one of those horses also have an overage on Oaks Day....in the Oaks. Of course his attorney blamed someone else. What was he going to say? My client has never cared about rules, still doesn’t and no one cares so he’s going to keep doing it? That would’ve read well...but at least it would’ve been the truth. |
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As Dahoss said, why is this such a recurrent problem for this barn? I have had many times where we've had to pass a race because one of our trainers (all with far less resources than Baffert) was concerned that a horse was treated too close to a race to risk a medication positive, so you'd think the top barn in the country would be able to avoid these issues. As someone who represents professionals in licensing matters before the State of New York, professional misconduct that could lead to far more serious suspensions or loss of license in other occupations is defined as gross negligence on one occasion or simple negligence on more than one occasion. Even assuming that Baffert is not intentionally juicing (a proposition of which there is considerable debate), he has been negligent in the operation of his barn on more than a dozen occasions. Should he continue to have a license given that record? And let's keep in mind that this positive comes on the heels of a CHRB rule change to curb the use of Thyroxine in horses and a report that more than half of SoCal's prescriptions for the medication came from two barns. What is the likelihood that Baffert is one of those two barns, despite the fact that his indiscriminate use of Thyroxine was reportedly linked to the seven horses that died suddenly under his care back in 2013? |
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Furthermore, the concentration of a substance in one body fluid does not necessarily reflect the substance's concentration or its physiological effect in another compartment--so one cannot state that there was no drug effect in one compartment based on the concentration in another. Quote:
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In this case, it looks like they attempted to do this but came up short (or high as it were). |
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I spoke incorrectly when I said it wasn't intentional. You guys are correct in pointing out how it's the same guy getting caught multiple times on days when nobody else is getting caught. So it's obvious that he pushes the envelope. I should have said that I don't feel like he's trying to cheat but that he's trying to walk right up to the line and occasionally, he steps over it. What it makes me think of is how many times he comes right up to the line, within inches (or picograms) of crossing it but gets away with it and ends up winning a major race. His successes keep owners sending their horses to him. I mean just look at Maximum Security, for example. They weren't interested in going to someone with a reputation for being clean. They wanted one that wouldn't get caught. His record will keep them coming and the risks are worth the reward when the penalties are so light. Honestly, why should he stop doing what he's doing?
You guys ask and answer your own questions. He obviously doesn't care but I wouldn't say he's negligent because that implies he's not aware. I think he's completely aware and complicit.
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https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...ffert-trainee/
Poor guy just can’t catch a break. When is enough...enough? |
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I thought the Breeders Cup previously adopted a rule that a trainer found to have committed certain medication violations during a calendar year could not compete at the event. At this point, wouldn’t everyone be better served if Baffert and his horses were not allowed to participate in this year’s event?
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In addition, the violation has to be of a certain severity (Class 1A or B, Class 2A). I don't think any of these recent Baffert positives qualify (lidocaine is Class 2B). See page 92: https://members.breederscup.com/docu...nships/HIG.PDF |
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You may be right that not enough people care, or perhaps the right people don't care...but I'm not sure why Baffert's presence is a necessity. There are plenty of big race days at NYRA or Gulfstream or Churchill/Keeneland that have no Baffert horses or very few. Do Baffert's horses make the races more competitive? Maybe. I don't know. Personally, I think his horses are almost always overbet and if they win provide very little value. I guess it can be good if you're against one of his overbet horses and can beat them. |
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Money Talks!
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I point these out as examples that fans don’t really care. As long as they are entertained, that’s all they care about. Barry Bonds could stand at home plate, call time out, stick a needle in his arm right there.....I just want to see a 600 foot home run.
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"2020 has been a difficult year for everyone."
poor guy is really suffering and now he is humble., time to "Raise the bar" LMAO |