6/11 (BEL): Belmont, Manhattan, Acorn, Just a Game, Stephens, True North

[herkhorse]

Windward Islands for the upset in the Manhattan.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I think people are ignoring the potential for Ruler On Ice to add to the early pace w/ the addition of blinkers and some fast recent works, and think Prime Cut might be close too.

Ruler On Ice, like many Kelly Breen horses, has worked fast before the addition of blinkers. He blew out :46 and change before the Sunland race and :58 and change before the Tesio and didn't approach the lead in either race. Even if he does get sent early, I still have a tough time seeing how they don't crawl down the backstretch. It just isn't a field with much pace.

[Travis Stone]

"Local" early odds...

1. Master of Hounds, 5-1
2. Stay Thirsty, 12-1
3. Ruler On Ice, 42-1
4. Santiva, 8-1
5. Brilliant Speed, 9-1
6. Nehro, 5-1
7. Monzon, 55-1
8. Prime Cut, 18-1
9. Animal Kingdom, 5-2
10. Mucho Macho Man, 6-1
11. Isn’t He Perfect, 39-1
12. Shackleford, 16-1

[robfla]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

"Local" early odds...

1. Master of Hounds, 5-1
2. Stay Thirsty, 12-1
3. Ruler On Ice, 42-1
4. Santiva, 8-1
5. Brilliant Speed, 9-1
6. Nehro, 5-1
7. Monzon, 55-1
8. Prime Cut, 18-1
9. Animal Kingdom, 5-2
10. Mucho Macho Man, 6-1
11. Isn’t He Perfect, 39-1
12. Shackleford, 16-1

I think this will change significantly ( esp Shackelford ) as it represents "on-track" only. A better indicator may be the Brooklyn/Belmont DD will pays where Shackleford is just over 2x's Animal Kingdom's price, and Master of Hounds is the same will-pay as Animal Kingdom


http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42640

[Travis Stone]

It also represents NYRA Rewards.

It really depends on how big the pool is. Early betting at CD is local only, and though I thought it changed, many here said it doesn't that much.

I just cannot believe that Shackleford will be 16-1 come post time, especially if it's wet.

[eagles725]

Who are the horses in the Belmont that would do best on a wet track?

[King Glorious]

Acorn: Turb Descent, Savvy Supreme, Snow Fall
True North: Phil, Trappe Shot, Funnybone
Stephens: Arch Traveler, JJ, Bold Warrior
Just A Game: Gypsy, Fantasia, Strike the Bell
Manhattan: Viscount Nelson, Gio Ponti, Prince Will
Belmont: Nehro, AK, Master

[King Glorious]

Travelin Man for third in the Stephens.

[Seattleallstar]

I give up, its been a very frustrating Belmont Saturday for me. Only a Master of Hounds win will save my weekend

[slotdirt]

Ruler on Ice was the only horse in the race with an off track win. Now, granted it wasn't a particularly good off track win, but nonetheless.

For those of us not from the NYC who don't get to see Andy Serling regularly, he was pretty phenomenal through the card with his pre-race analysis.

[Travis Stone]

I prefer crazy and odd results over dumb wagering plays and mistakes. I didn't make any mistakes on the race... Not in a millions years would I have played the winner.

[Travis Stone]

But if I were to have bet Ruler On Ice and Stay Thirsty, I'd cry about the exacta payoff.

$2 Exacta - 928.00
$2 Superfecta- 74,052.00
$2 Trifecta - 8,268.00

Feels like they should be higher.

[GPK]

Mission Approved

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Ruler on Ice was the only horse in the race with an off track win. Now, granted it wasn't a particularly good off track win, but nonetheless.

For those of us not from the NYC who don't get to see Andy Serling regularly, he was pretty phenomenal through the card with his pre-race analysis.

Thank you. That's very nice of you to say.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by GPK

Mission Approved

That pissed me off after having C S Silk in the race before. They should just stop running turf races in America if horses like that are going to win races like the Manhattan.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That pissed me off after having C S Silk in the race before. They should just stop running turf races in America if horses like that are going to win races like the Manhattan.

Gio Ponti has the dubious distinction of losing to both Mission Approved (almost lost to him last year as well) and Interpatation.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Revidere

Gio Ponti has the dubious distinction of losing to both Mission Approved (almost lost to him last year as well) and Interpatation.

Gio Ponti was the star of the card.. Why Gio Ponti is even still running in 10f races is an indictment on two levels..The market for decent G1 grass stallions and just how awful G1 routing turf horses are in this country.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That pissed me off after having C S Silk in the race before. They should just stop running turf races in America if horses like that are going to win races like the Manhattan.

They let both of them walk on the front end. Mission Approved was allowed to go 1:17, and he got brave. What were the other jocks thinking allowing him to do that?

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That pissed me off after having C S Silk in the race before. They should just stop running turf races in America if horses like that are going to win races like the Manhattan.

It was one thing for CS Silk to do that, but wasn't anybody riding in the Manhattan paying attention to the Just a Game?

I've now noticed my horrendous LIRR grammar and syntax from my earlier post, and I do apologize.

[NTamm1215]

Beyer Figures:

It's Tricky 105
Trappe Shot 112
Justin Phillip 96
CS Silk 101
Mission Approved 103
Ruler on Ice 100