Joel Rosario shifting his tack to NY

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I love when Vic copies the same post on multiple message boards. It makes me, the reader, feel special.

see, no need to travel...eventually you can just read it here.

[ateamstupid]

I liked the part where he implied that California has stiffer competition in its jockey colony than NY. An absolute gem of myopic hysteria from the king himself.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's also pretty interesting that Vic conveniently left Richard Migliore's West Coast success out of his argument. I guess when you are knocking Hall of Famers that ventured West when the majority of board members weren't even born yet, it's easy to dismiss the efforts and successes of one of the true good guys in this industry, especially when it happened just a few years ago. Why applaud the truly deserving when you can unfairly besmirch the achievements of others.

Huge fan of Richard Migliore. Was lucky enough to get to know him a bit when working for Joel. Very talented rider and consumate professional.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I liked the part where he implied that California has stiffer competition in its jockey colony than NY. An absolute gem of myopic hysteria from the king himself.

Where did I imply that?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Where did I imply that?

Fair point. You actually flat out stated it.

Originally Posted by pointman

Fair point. You actually flat out stated it.

Show me the quote. Us myopic whatever's sometimes lose track since we're always thinking of ourseleves.

[Indian Charlie]

Four pages of posts about a stupid person from a profession loaded with stupid people, making perhaps a really stupid decision?

Woah.

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Four pages of posts about a stupid person from a profession loaded with stupid people, making perhaps a really stupid decision?

Woah.

You're right. It's usually six pages.

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Rosario will be the leading rider at Saratoga. Y'all forget about the most important thing....hosses run for him. He's damn good.

He's a horse whisperer, eh? Explain his stats this year in graded stakes compared to the top 5.

I guess those guys that are much better statistically when it matters are part horse, eh?

[paulo537]

Ok.

For 2012, through May, Rosario is 4th in Graded wins behind JRV, Castellano and Ramon D.

For 2011:

Rank/Jockey/ Tot Graded Wins/ (G1-G2-G3) Graded Stakes W%

1, Velasquez/32/(7,5,15)/ 13%
2. Dominguez/27/(10,5,12)/ 8%
3. Castellano/26/(11,8,7)/ 9%
4. Rosario/ 25/(9-8-8)/ 9%

Other Graded win %'s for the rest of the top 10:

Bejarano 9%
Gomez 15%
Garcia 13%
Lezcano 10%
Leparoux 7%
Maragh 10%

[pointman]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Show me the quote. Us myopic whatever's sometimes lose track since we're always thinking of ourseleves.

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Not a move I would advise. He's 6th in the nation in earnings. That with having a very quiet last 30 days because of chasing the Triple Crown, sadly having to attend to his brother and suspensions.

Not sure what the desired goal would be. Top 5 in the nation in total earnings? Already there. Live Triple Crown mounts? Already there. Breeders' Cup Prospects? Already there. Has won two.

Here's the thing. He's dominant in California. Something that is VERY VERY hard to accomplish. For some reason riders from back east with equal talent have tried it out here and failed. Never understood why but many have crawled home with their tail between their legs.

Also riding here is about 50,000 times easier logistically than bouncing around back east. Saratoga? Of course. What about the winter? Aqueduct ( inner ) don't think so for a kid from the Dominican. Keeneland? Sure. Will have build relationships. Gulfstream? Sure. Same story there.

California on the other hand is Valhalla for a guy that has his business. Fantastic weather year round. Live in the same house all but 7 weeks when somehow he has to endure a condo on a San Diego beach.

His morning work here is a total piece of cake. Breeze your stakes horses. Help out at Sadler's and a couple of marquee barns and kick around the backside politicing and visiting. Take some mornings off ( not an option at Belmont ) and ride nothing but 6/5 shots.

He and Bejarano are friends. More importantly their agents work together to freeze out other riders and keep the business in the top two family. VERY IMPORTANT! Also not possible back east.

I understand when you're young and super talented new adventures seem exciting. I say try river rafting, bungee jumping or of course musicals.

There's a certain little girl with Ruby slippers that said it best. And she was from Kansas for crying out loud. Not the paradise that So. Cal is.

Don't do it Joel.

Seems pretty clear to me.

[Calzone Lord]

Kerwin John rode regularly at Mountaineer Park in 2002 and 2003 and was a 3% jockey there. You could have taken a poll of trainers asking to rate the top 20 jockeys at MNR and no one would have named Kerwin.

The very next year - Kerwin John finished 8th in the standings at Del Mar and had more wins and a higher win percentage than a very accomplished jockey like Mike Smith (who also moved East to West) Kerwin was 6th in the standings at Hollywood Park.

Kerwin went from a 3% win percentage and having no luck finding a decent mount anywhere in West Virginia in 2003 - to having three mounts on the Breeders Cup card in 2004.

One of them, Island Fashion, was like 5/1 or so in the $2 million BC Distaff off her win in the Lady's Secret last out. He was a nobuddy in West Virginia and Ohio -- and in a snap of a finger -- he's winning Grade 1 races and live on the Breeders Cup card.

It's all about opportunity and fashion. When these guys without much ability finally fall out of favor - they tank. Just as a guy without an ounce of ability will put up big surprisingly strong numbers if they stumble into opportunity.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by paulo537

Ok.

For 2012, through May, Rosario is 4th in Graded wins behind JRV, Castellano and Ramon D.

For 2011:

Rank/Jockey/ Tot Graded Wins/ (G1-G2-G3) Graded Stakes W%

1, Velasquez/32/(7,5,15)/ 13%
2. Dominguez/27/(10,5,12)/ 8%
3. Castellano/26/(11,8,7)/ 9%
4. Rosario/ 25/(9-8-8)/ 9%

Other Graded win %'s for the rest of the top 10:

Bejarano 9%
Gomez 15%
Garcia 13%
Lezcano 10%
Leparoux 7%
Maragh 10%

Where did you get these stats? I don't think they're accurate for 2012.

[Calzone Lord]

Rosario hasn't been riding up to his high standard of late. However, he's made. He doesn't need to anymore.

Here is Rosario's stats in route races over the past 12 months:

Starts: 512
Win %: 21%
ROI: $1.47


He's losing 26.5% on every dollar bet -- and he's no longer a fierce ground saver. He looks for the clean, clear, wide trip way more often than ever before. He had Creative Cause about 8-wide the entire way around the far turn in the Kentucky Derby.

In the Preakness, it was he and not Hastings Park nobuddy Mario Guitereaz, who used his horse a little early to try and keep Bodemeister a little honest.

The thing I loved about Ramon Dominguez -- even after he long established himself as the kingpin of the Mid-Atlantic circuit and had earned the best mounts. He didn't just go out and try and settle for the clean, clear, wide trip with everything.

Quite the opposite, Dominguez would park himself on the rail (even with favorites) and try and save every morsel of ground on the turns. The guy went 9 out of 10 years where he produced a strong profitable ROI in turf route races. That's never been done before.

Dominguez eventually had to get away from his great habits a little bit in New York -- but he is still someone who will save ground on turns and he is still a master of getting out of jams. He was fun to watch in the Mid-Atlantic though, he had no panic in him and a lot of times would make Houdini like escapes and win with horses who were sometimes 3rd or 4th best.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Kerwin John rode regularly at Mountaineer Park in 2002 and 2003 and was a 3% jockey there. You could have taken a poll of trainers asking to rate the top 20 jockeys at MNR and no one would have named Kerwin.

The very next year - Kerwin John finished 8th in the standings at Del Mar and had more wins and a higher win percentage than a very accomplished jockey like Mike Smith (who also moved East to West) Kerwin was 6th in the standings at Hollywood Park.

Kerwin went from a 3% win percentage and having no luck finding a decent mount anywhere in West Virginia in 2003 - to having three mounts on the Breeders Cup card in 2004.

One of them, Island Fashion, was like 5/1 or so in the $2 million BC Distaff off her win in the Lady's Secret last out. He was a nobuddy in West Virginia and Ohio -- and in a snap of a finger -- he's winning Grade 1 races and live on the Breeders Cup card.

It's all about opportunity and fashion. When these guys without much ability finally fall out of favor - they tank. Just as a guy without an ounce of ability will put up big surprisingly strong numbers if they stumble into opportunity.

I remember Kerwin John riding at Finger Lakes before Mountaineer. He made John Grabowski look like Cordero.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

He made John Grabowski look like Cordero.

Did he too crawl back from California with his tail between his legs?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I remember Kerwin John riding at Finger Lakes before Mountaineer. He made John Grabowski look like Cordero.

John Grabowski -- "The Polish Rifle"

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

John Grabowski -- "The Polish Rifle"

Wasn't that Ron Jaworski?? Or are you thinking of the Amish Rifle, Ryan Fitzpatrick? 😃

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

This thread reminded me of this famous holiday tale from years gone by:

In the most famous version of the tale told by Ole Vic, Rosario, an undersized elf, falls in love with a vain demi-god (or is it demagouge?) Staufficus, who was the son of the blue nymph Liariope of Lesbia. The horse god Sypholis, had once encircled Liarope with the windings of his bullcrap, and thus trapping her, had seduced the nymph, who gave birth to an exceptionally beautiful boy... Staufficus.

When he had reached "his sixteenth year", (fifteen years of age, by modern reckoning) every youth and girl in the town was in love with Staufficus, but he haughtily spurned them all. He believed them not to be worthy of his love.

One day when Staufficus was out hunting stag, Rosario stealthily followed the handsome youth through the woods, longing to address him but unable to speak first. When Staufficus finally heard footsteps and shouted "And here comes Zeeeeeeeen-yata", Rosario answered "And here comes Zeeeeeeeen-yata" And so it went, with audience roars being pumped into the background until finally Rosario showed herself and rushed to embrace the lovely Staufficus. He pulled away from the undersized elf and vainly told her to leave him alone. Staufficus left Rosario heartbroken and she spent the rest of her life in the lonely glens of WinStar Farms, pining away for the love she never knew, until only her voice remained.

For this transgression against Rosario Staufficus would be punished by the muse Stewardesius.

One day, Staufficus came across a deep pool in a forest, from which he took a drink. As he did, he saw his reflection for the first time in his life and fell in love with the beautiful boy he was looking at, not realizing it was himself. Eventually, after pining away for a while, he realized that the image he saw in the pool was a reflection of himself. Realizing that he could not act upon this love, he tore at his dress and beat at his body, his life force draining out of him.


Thanks to all of you for reading.

Happy Holidays

B O G

Boy that EGG NOG sure can sneak up on ya.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Vic Stauffer

who is solis agent..he did not last long..