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Old 03-06-2019, 03:08 PM
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Old 03-06-2019, 07:32 PM
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Old 03-07-2019, 01:08 PM
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Im against Instagrand. He can beat me. Same with Mind Control. Im using the 4,8 and maybe a little 5. I want no one else in the Gotham.
The Busher feels wide open. The 12 is probably my top pick, but i could use 4 or 5 others.
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Old 03-08-2019, 09:40 AM
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Im against Instagrand. He can beat me. Same with Mind Control. Im using the 4,8 and maybe a little 5. I want no one else in the Gotham.
The Busher feels wide open. The 12 is probably my top pick, but i could use 4 or 5 others.
With all due respect no one is beating Instagrand. There is value in the Baffert horse, but that is one pitiful line, and you will see nowhere near 10-1
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Old 03-08-2019, 09:45 AM
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Won't see 10-1 on the McLaughlin horse, sorry I should proofread before sending things.
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Old 03-08-2019, 10:26 AM
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With all due respect no one is beating Instagrand. There is value in the Baffert horse, but that is one pitiful line, and you will see nowhere near 10-1
Get lucky!
Instagrand hasnít raced in 7 months, has never gone more than 6 furlongs, and this field is, by far, the best competition he has yet to face.

He may well win but I would have liked to see him in a race prior to this, preferably longer than 6 furlongs. Even if he is as good as many people think, this could be a tough spot. Just look at Hidden Scroll, and that horse had already won at a mile.
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Old 03-08-2019, 11:23 AM
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Breeding suggests distance should not be an issue, but I do get all your concerns with the horse coming into this. The competition is indeed stiffer, but there are no world beaters here and frankly Kiaran's horse scares me more than the Baffert(even with his impeccable record shipping into NY) But imho this horse is a freak, and if he performs tomorrow as I think he will, we are about to have a new favorite for the Derby. Only hoping the general public sees things as you do so my price can drift up a bit as there is nothing appealing about 4/5.

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Old 03-08-2019, 12:18 PM
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Instagrand hasnít raced in 7 months, has never gone more than 6 furlongs, and this field is, by far, the best competition he has yet to face.

He may well win but I would have liked to see him in a race prior to this, preferably longer than 6 furlongs. Even if he is as good as many people think, this could be a tough spot. Just look at Hidden Scroll, and that horse had already won at a mile.
Instagrand ran faster as a 2YO in early August than most of these have ever run. Comparing him to Hidden Scroll is odd, as if he runs as well as that one just did, he is about 99% to win the Gotham.

He might lose, any horse can, but he is WAY the horse to beat here.
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Old 03-09-2019, 04:23 PM
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Without even watching the other 2 yet, Iím guessing the Gotham will be the worst of the 3 Derby preps today. Not sure who wants any piece of two turns out of that group.
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Old 03-09-2019, 04:31 PM
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Instagrand ran faster as a 2YO in early August than most of these have ever run. Comparing him to Hidden Scroll is odd, as if he runs as well as that one just did, he is about 99% to win the Gotham.

He might lose, any horse can, but he is WAY the horse to beat here.
I was only trying to say that no matter how good Instagrand is, this could be a tough spot for him for a number of reasons. I preferred to bet against him, especially at below even money.
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Old 03-09-2019, 04:38 PM
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Without even watching the other 2 yet, Iím guessing the Gotham will be the worst of the 3 Derby preps today. Not sure who wants any piece of two turns out of that group.
Bafferts horse could be a monster sprinter.
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Old 03-09-2019, 04:42 PM
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Bafferts horse could be a monster sprinter.
If you actually ended up on that 5 at all, nice work.
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Old 03-09-2019, 04:44 PM
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If you actually ended up on that 5 at all, nice work.
I pressed 4,8 backed up with the 5. He ended up a B. Im alive right now to 2 3 12
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Old 03-09-2019, 04:56 PM
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I pressed 4,8 backed up with the 5. He ended up a B. Im alive right now to 2 3 12
Nice!
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Old 03-09-2019, 05:45 PM
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Without even watching the other 2 yet, Iím guessing the Gotham will be the worst of the 3 Derby preps today. Not sure who wants any piece of two turns out of that group.
Definitely spoke too soon. The Jeff Ruby...whoa.
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Old 03-09-2019, 05:54 PM
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Definitely spoke too soon. The Jeff Ruby...whoa.
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