Barbaro (the Champ)

To the announcers on ESPN it seemed to be a forgone conculsiuon after the Travers that Bernardini had exhalted himself to 3-year old champion. It really made sick in the pit of my stomach, especially how Bailey explained it (with his beaten lengths theory). Bernardini beat 5 horses in late summer, 4 very average horses, and 1 good one. Well Barbaro destroyed 19 other horses in late SPRING...19 pretty damn good horses...the horse won the KY derby, FL derby, a stakes races on turf, and now because Bernardini is beating on shat later in the year he's a more deserving champion? At the end of the year the good competition separates to various stake races across the country (case in point, Lawyer Ron inthe St. Louis Derby). They are not all in KY. The Preakness & the Travers combined wasn't as impressive as KY was this year. Unless he wins the Breeder's Cup Classic, I'm not sold this horse could have beaten Barbaro, any place, any surface, any distance, any where.

Here's some good news for you ...

The Ecipse Award committee has decided to accept "Get Well" cards as valid votes for the 3YO championship.

That should put your boy over the top!

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Here's some good news for you ...

The Ecipse Award committee has decided to accept "Get Well" cards as valid votes for the 3YO championship.

That should put your boy over the top!

That's kind of my point, a lot people are saying "well we can't judge a horse on the merits of what he COULD have done at the track". Well, you don't need to, Barbaro's resume is still more impressive to this date, than Bernardini's. And I would add an "IMO" here but I feel it's the gospel truth.

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

That's kind of my point, a lot people are saying "well we can't judge a horse on the merits of what he COULD have done at the track". Well, you don't need to, Barbaro's resume is still more impressive to this date, than Bernardini's. And I would add an "IMO" here but I feel it's the gospel truth.

Well, yes ... but here's another way some people may look at it ...

Bernardini and Barbaro faced each other once ... and Bernardini beat him by over a mile ...

... that may convince some voters to go for Bernardini.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Well, yes ... but here's another way some people may look at it ...

Bernardini and Barbaro faced each other once ... and Bernardini beat him by over a mile ...

... that may convince some voters to go for Bernardini.

You are a very LITTLE man, small on intelligence, and lacking in class
I'd have to say, you're a piss poor individual.

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

You are a very LITTLE man, small on intelligence, and lacking in class
I'd have to say, you're a piss poor individual.

Your reading comprehension seems to be severely lacking.

Take another look at my post ... I was just reporting what others are saying ... not my own personal opinion ... nor did I misreport the facts of the outcome of this year's Preakness Stakes.

If you don't want to know what's out there ... if you're uncomfortable with what has eventuated in the world ... don't get involved with an informational website like this one ... and even more important ... don't draw conclusions ... especially vulgar ones ... about members of this forum whom you don't know.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Well, yes ... but here's another way some people may look at it ...

Bernardini and Barbaro faced each other once ... and Bernardini beat him by over a mile ...

... that may convince some voters to go for Bernardini.

There was no point to this post but to rub salt into a great many wounds! This is classless no matter how you spin it! Coach is absolutely correct to call you on it...I call you on it also! My reading comprehension is pretty good...Foolish Pleasure "beat" Ruffian in the same way, don't see many folks bringing that up over the years!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

There was no point to this post but to rub salt into a great many wounds! This is classless no matter how you spin it! Coach is absolutely correct to call you on it...I call you on it also! My reading comprehension is pretty good...Foolish Pleasure "beat" Ruffian in the same way, don't see many folks bringing that up over the years!

Foolish Pleasure defeated Ruffian by considerably less than a mile ... the only loss on her otherwise splendid record ...

... while Bernardini defeated Barbaro by about a mile ... more or less depending on exactly how it's measured.

You may not like it ... but those are the facts.

It's acceptable to attack a person's opinions or beliefs ... but there's no place for attacks on anyone's character on this forum ... especially for simply reporting indisputable facts.

Shame on you ... and your buddy.

I just can't see how barabro would be the 3-y0 champ over Beranrdini...i just can't...it would be a political and emotion-influenced travesty IMO...

But then again, I've seen a few bad Eclipse votings...i musdt admit that the voters (and i know MANY of them) in this industry..alot of them are not half-qualified to vote.....too many people with little knowledge of this industry have votes and it is not right...i'll leave it at that...

just like when Declan's moon beat out Afleet Alex as Champ 2-yo a few years ago when never leaving Cali. or running in the BC while Alex carrered his game to all the big dances and won multiple important stakes and never dodged anyone while runnig well everytime with some bad luck when he lost.....stupdi West coast propaganda gave it to Declan's moon - who is now showing that he is a real rat while Afleet Alex was a true champion race horse....

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Bellamy Road...no offense, but you are really biased, and I believe that you have let your emotions overtake your sense of judgement. I love Barbaro just as much as anyone, and realize that his accomplishments earlier in the year were nothing short of amazing. However, Bernardini has won two huge races while utterly annihilating his competition while running stellar times. He very well may win both the JCGC and BCC. In fact, I'm looking for great showings in both. I really believe that this horse is a superhorse. We also still have Discreet Cat who looks to also be a complete monster. His comback debut was phenomenal. I can almost guarantee that Barbaro will not win the Eclipse award nor, at this point, do I believe that he should. Bernardini has clearly established himself as the next coming. I am going out on a limb, but I think that he is the best horse since Spectacular Bid.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Bellamy Road...no offense, but you are really biased, and I believe that you have let your emotions overtake your sense of judgement. I love Barbaro just as much as anyone, and realize that his accomplishments earlier in the year were nothing short of amazing. However, Bernardini has won two huge races while utterly annihilating his competition while running stellar times. He very well may win both the JCGC and BCC. In fact, I'm looking for great showings in both. I really believe that this horse is a superhorse. We also still have Discreet Cat who looks to also be a complete monster. His comback debut was phenomenal. I can almost guarantee that Barbaro will not win the Eclipse award nor, at this point, do I believe that he should. Bernardini has clearly established himself as the next coming. I am going out on a limb, but I think that he is the best horse since Spectacular Bid.

See I feel the opposite...it sounds to me like YOU ae the one who is emotional in remembering what you have seen recently, and equating that with being better than what's taken place in the past...it's for the year of 2006, not the past month in which Bernardini has "demolished" horses soon to be in the claiming ranks

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I just can't see how barabro would be the 3-y0 champ over Beranrdini...i just can't...it would be a political and emotion-influenced travesty IMO...

But then again, I've seen a few bad Eclipse votings...i musdt admit that the voters (and i know MANY of them) in this industry..alot of them are not half-qualified to vote.....too many people with little knowledge of this industry have votes and it is not right...i'll leave it at that...

just like when Declan's moon beat out Afleet Alex as Champ 2-yo a few years ago when never leaving Cali. or running in the BC while Alex carrered his game to all the big dances and won multiple important stakes and never dodged anyone while runnig well everytime with some bad luck when he lost.....stupdi West coast propaganda gave it to Declan's moon - who is now showing that he is a real rat while Afleet Alex was a true champion race horse....

I'll give you it's subjective, and there have been some awful decisions, I just don't think a Barbaro victory would be one of them...I'm not sure how many voters there are, or who they are, but if they remain objective and don't get suckered into this media malestrom that is Bernardini, we'd get our true champion in Barbaro...now if Bernardini does win the BCC, I'll give...my statements on the horse are neither political (as I don't care who owns the horses) nor emotional (as I think Barbaro has flat out the better justification for winning the award).

[chupster2]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I just can't see how barabro would be the 3-y0 champ over Beranrdini...i just can't...it would be a political and emotion-influenced travesty IMO...

But then again, I've seen a few bad Eclipse votings...i musdt admit that the voters (and i know MANY of them) in this industry..alot of them are not half-qualified to vote.....too many people with little knowledge of this industry have votes and it is not right...i'll leave it at that...

just like when Declan's moon beat out Afleet Alex as Champ 2-yo a few years ago when never leaving Cali. or running in the BC while Alex carrered his game to all the big dances and won multiple important stakes and never dodged anyone while runnig well everytime with some bad luck when he lost.....stupdi West coast propaganda gave it to Declan's moon - who is now showing that he is a real rat while Afleet Alex was a true champion race horse....

I don't think anyone need worry about Barbaro taking 3 y.o. now. I think it's a shame in a way because it is just that Barbaro didn't have a chance to show us what was coming. However, confirmed Bobby fan that I am, there is no taking away from what Bernardini is doing. It also doesn't take away from what Barbaro is doing. No one is ever going to forget Barbaro and that is for sure. He doesn't need an Eclipse.

I always felt Alex was SO totally ripped off. At least I don't feel anyone will be here. I'm thinking we are fortunate to have had two such exciting horses in one year.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by chupster2

I don't think anyone need worry about Barbaro taking 3 y.o. now. I think it's a shame in a way because it is just that Barbaro didn't have a chance to show us what was coming. However, confirmed Bobby fan that I am, there is no taking away from what Bernardini is doing. It also doesn't take away from what Barbaro is doing. No one is ever going to forget Barbaro and that is for sure. He doesn't need an Eclipse.

I always felt Alex was SO totally ripped off. At least I don't feel anyone will be here. I'm thinking we are fortunate to have had two such exciting horses in one year.

afleet alex absolutely deserved the eclipse over declan's moon. but he made up for that all on his own.

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I just can't see how barabro would be the 3-y0 champ over Beranrdini...i just can't...it would be a political and emotion-influenced travesty IMO...

But then again, I've seen a few bad Eclipse votings...i musdt admit that the voters (and i know MANY of them) in this industry..alot of them are not half-qualified to vote.....too many people with little knowledge of this industry have votes and it is not right...i'll leave it at that...

just like when Declan's moon beat out Afleet Alex as Champ 2-yo a few years ago when never leaving Cali. or running in the BC while Alex carrered his game to all the big dances and won multiple important stakes and never dodged anyone while runnig well everytime with some bad luck when he lost.....stupdi West coast propaganda gave it to Declan's moon - who is now showing that he is a real rat while Afleet Alex was a true champion race horse....

Hello. This is my first post...so excuse me if this has already been said. Has anyone looked at the earnings as a measure of best 3 YO? There must not be a lot of gamblers on here.

Barbaro $2,203,200
Bernardini $1,610,480

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by PostCritic

Hello. This is my first post...so excuse me if this has already been said. Has anyone looked at the earnings as a measure of best 3 YO? There must not be a lot of gamblers on here.

Barbaro $2,203,200
Bernardini $1,610,480

good point. welcome aboard mate.

Originally Posted by PostCritic

Hello. This is my first post...so excuse me if this has already been said. Has anyone looked at the earnings as a measure of best 3 YO? There must not be a lot of gamblers on here.

Barbaro $2,203,200
Bernardini $1,610,480

hello to you!

yeah, i went to ntra myself yesterday and took note of $ won....

to THIS point, bernardini hasn't done anything more than what barbaro has done...it's just later in the year. also, take note that barbaro beat four times as many horses @ the 10f distance--FOUR months ago!

at this point, it's a toss-up.

bernardini must win over older, it would be the only thing that would separate him from barbaro.

also, everyone keep in mind that altho bernardinis margin was the largest since general assembly in '79, barbaro's margin of victory was the largest in 60 years.

Originally Posted by PostCritic

Hello. This is my first post...so excuse me if this has already been said. Has anyone looked at the earnings as a measure of best 3 YO? There must not be a lot of gamblers on here.

Barbaro $2,203,200
Bernardini $1,610,480

I'm willing to accept this as the measurement used to determine 3YO champ.

At the end of the year.

IF Bernardini beats older horses in the his next race and runs well enough in the Classic I don't think there will be anything close to a debate.

He will have done things that Barbaro never had the chance to do and will be a deserving winner.

You can't think that Fl Derby + Kentucky Derby > Preakness + Belmont + Jim Dandy + Travers + beating older horses.

Bernardini will be a more accomplished horse if he beats older. How do you not give the award to the more accomplished animal?

BTW: This debate probably resolves itself with time. This feels a little like deciding now what I'll wear to a New Years party. I think I can probably wait before I decide.

[Danzig]

bernardini didn't run in the belmont.

of course that's beside the point....if bernardini wins out the year, he'll get top 3 yo and hoy. he can lose the jcgc and win the bcc and get them both. but if he loses his next two, barbaro will get top 3 yo. at THIS point, bernardini hasn't defeated anyone that barbaro hasn't beaten--matter of fact, bernardini hasn't faced everyone barbaro met on the track.