BC: Turf; FMT; Mile (PP's/Odds) - Page 2

my miss storm cat · #21 10-21-2007, 10:52 AM

Frankie got the Jeremy mount.....

NoChanceToDance · #22 10-21-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Frankie got the Jeremy mount.....

I thought about you when i saw that

hockey2315 · #23 10-21-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Frankie got the Jeremy mount.....

What's wrong with Dettori?! That he'll hurt the odds?

gallant bloom · #24 10-21-2007, 02:13 PM

we can now
kiss jeremy
goodbye.

NoChanceToDance · #25 10-21-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gallant bloom

we can now
kiss jeremy
goodbye.

You said it right there.

How come you're not in Woodbine to see your boy run?

NoChanceToDance · #26 10-21-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

What's wrong with Dettori?! That he'll hurt the odds?

Frankie is a dreadful jockey. Probably the most overrated jock in european racing history.

gallant bloom · #27 10-21-2007, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

You said it right there.

How come you're not in Woodbine to see your boy run?

because i'm going
to the bc
instead.

i will yell
at dettori
for u.

gallant bloom · #28 10-21-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

What's wrong with Dettori?! That he'll hurt the odds?

stupid ppl will
think he has
a better shot
now.

he'll be
off the board.

NoChanceToDance · #29 10-21-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gallant bloom

because i'm going
to the bc
instead.

i will yell
at dettori
for u.

Good girl.

Make sure you take some pics of the euro runners. Especially Annie Skates in the Juvenile fillies race if you can.

I'd owe you a present if you could do that

NoChanceToDance · #30 10-21-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gallant bloom

stupid ppl will
think he has
a better shot
now.

he'll be
off the board.

I'm not saying he will be off the board, but having Dettori on his back has certainly dented his chances.

If Frankie comes into the stretch with no chance of winning but a chance of being second or third, he will just give up. Like he did on Blue Ksar the other day.

gallant bloom · #31 10-21-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

I'm not saying he will be off the board, but having Dettori on his back has certainly dented his chances.

If Frankie comes into the stretch with no chance of winning but a chance of being second or third, he will just give up. Like he did on Blue Ksar the other day.

did u see
the replay
from milan?

echo of light
could have
won but
he was 3rd.

thanx frankie.

NoChanceToDance · #32 10-21-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gallant bloom

did u see
the replay
from milan?

echo of light
could have
won but
he was 3rd.

thanx frankie.

No, i didn't see it, but it doesn't surprise me.

NoChanceToDance · #33 10-21-2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I see I am unworthy of a response. Thanks.

Me, Gallant, mmsc and many european racing followers will all agree that Dettori is hugely overrated. He isn't the best when it comes to tactics and compared with a lot of jockeys he is very weak in a finish.

He only cares about winning. Second and third are not good enough to him as he has shown many times in the past. If he has no chance of winning, but still has a chance of hitting the board he will more than likely give up.

People think he's a good jockey because of the media. He gets a lot of media attention, but that doesn't mean he is good.

He has the choice of all the Godolphin horses to ride, and if they have two runners in the same race he will usually choose the 'wrong one', even though he should know the Godolphin horses inside out.

He just isn't very good considering he gets to ride some of the best horses in the world and often gets it all wrong.

NoChanceToDance · #34 10-21-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I was kind of hoping the person who called people stupid would reply although I appreciate the response. I don't really know, nor care if he is overrated. I am under the opinion that jocks mean very little and do more harm than good. I don't see Dettori enough to have an opinion on him.

There are certain jocks over here, as i'm sure there are in America, where as a fan/punter, you know that he/she will give it their all and try their hardest on every horse. Frankie isn't one of these jockeys. He cost one of my friends a nice exacta payout the other day when he stopped riding his mount which cost him second place.

He earns so much money outside racing that he doesn't really care. He doesn't care about travelling to the races any great distance, if he doesn't really want to, he won't. People over here who don't follow racing just think Dettori is a good jock because he is probably the only one they have heard of.

People will remember the magnificent seven he did at Ascot, but he was on by far the best horses in most of those races and got very lucky with some of the trips he got through the races.

I've seen him mess up so many times, whethet it's through arrogance or lack of ability i couldn't be sure, but he isn't the sort of jockey you could depend on to get a winner if you really need one.

brockguy · #35 10-21-2007, 03:39 PM

I agree that Frankie isnt the best jock riding in Europe, but at a massive international event like the Breeders Cup, he will be fine. I would personally have preferred Kinane but if Frankie can ride him like he did Red Rocks last year, Ill take that..

hockey2315 · #36 10-21-2007, 03:45 PM

Can one of you Europeans please rank the big jockeys over there for us?

Thanks. . .

my miss storm cat · #37 10-21-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

What's wrong with Dettori?! That he'll hurt the odds?

I just wish they had gone with someone else.

He's not been at his best lately to put it nicely.

I think Jeremy still has a shot and will use him but, well..... I wish they had gone with someone else.

Of course Jeremy is sitting on a big win so maybe he can overcome what i see as a slight disadvantage.

By the way I can't find the replay for the Premio Vittorio di Capua (hint, hint) but if he pulled the same crap as he did on Blue Ksar i just assume forget it.

Too bad..... Echo really had a shot.

Cheers to Linngari. Nice horse...

NoChanceToDance · #38 10-21-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Can one of you Europeans please rank the big jockeys over there for us?

Thanks. . .

Everyone will have their own opinions, so you will get different lists, but my top ten would go something like this.

1. Ryan Moore
2. Mick Kinane
3. Kieren Fallon
4. Kerrin McEvoy
5. Ted Durcan
6. Johnny Murtagh
7. Declan McDonagh
8. Stephane Pasquier
9. Kevin Manning
10. Pat Smullen

hockey2315 · #39 10-21-2007, 03:58 PM

Dettori's not even in the top 10? What about Soumillon?

NoChanceToDance · #40 10-21-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Dettori's not even in the top 10? What about Soumillon?

Soumillon is rather like dettori, he's a jockey you can't depend on, he gets it wrong so many times. Dettori, soumillon and spencer are all quite similar in my opinion.