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09-08-2007, 09:39 AM
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durability list
Interesting list. Would it make sense to breed for durability in this modern age, with the idea that you'll get a lot more races out of your runners, while just shooting to get in the money in light fields? Do you have to always win to turn a profit? And wouldn't you have an edge racing a perennially sound horse?
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=40655
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09-08-2007, 10:08 AM
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Very interesting list. I don't think you need to win in order to turn a profit, looking at the stud fees for the more durable sires, looks like you could quickly turn a profit. String together a good number of place and show finshes and you are quietly collecting and depositing cash.
If I were in a position to designate the breeding for "my" horse, I would go for durability over precociousness; it seems for others that ego trumps profitablity/durability.
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09-08-2007, 01:04 PM
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Very interesting and useful. Thank you very much.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/pdf/Stalli...bilityList.pdf Last edited by sumitas : 09-08-2007 at 01:55 PM.
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09-08-2007, 04:56 PM
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I honestly think that for the most part this is a list full of weak sires of slow horses (the bottom list). The expenses that are incurred in the day to day training are the major expenses, not stud fees. Breeding to most of the list (with a few notable exceptions) will get you a slow horse who may make a lot of starts and lose you a ton of money.
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09-08-2007, 05:20 PM
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Happy to see Devil His Due and More Than Ready on that list.
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09-08-2007, 05:36 PM
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09-10-2007, 04:11 PM
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It all comes down to the breeding shed...
If you have a horse sired by many at the top of the list, you have little expectation of whisking them off to the breeding shed early because "there is nothing left to prove"
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09-10-2007, 05:11 PM
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09-10-2007, 05:52 PM
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I have another take on the durability issue. By no means am I saying that anyone here is wrong in there opinion but here is another twist in the durability discussion.
I have dealt with well over a 1,000 yearlings probably more like 1,500 in the last 10 years. Breaking and training them for the races and sales. And one of the biggest problems I see is that the vast number of horses are what I deem as "Hot Housed" from the time they Are weanlings until they reach the races. And by Hot Housed I mean a young horse never sees a paddock and is constantly kept in being readyed for another sale. Just take a look at Keeneland today when do you think the last time one of the horses that went through the ring today got a chance to run around in a paddock. I can assure you it was several months ago. Young horses need to be outside running around playing hard having fun and the number one reason is developing. Young horses now adays don't get a chance to grow up. Even When we are breaking young horses here at the farm now We bring them in first thing break them train them and then turn them .back out in a paddock. I have always believed that the number one way to keep a horse sound is to have a great foundation and that starts when they are born. Round Pen
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09-10-2007, 06:24 PM
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I like how you think, and wish more would do so - get them out there in big fields, running, twisting, uneven ground and slight hills, developing all their muscle groups (versus being walked and trotted on a machine), developing agility, cardiovascular ... trouble is the risk to investment (obviously there is indeed risk when they get big enough to be fast enough to really hurt themselves and each other, the colts start sparring, etc), let alone risk even a scar.
Very good point about being hothoused since the tender age of being a weanling, though.
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09-10-2007, 06:36 PM
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09-10-2007, 06:46 PM
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09-10-2007, 07:09 PM
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Round Pen, that was a really interesting post. I had no idea many young racehorses-to-be didn't get any sort of real turn-out after being weaned. And makes perfect sense as to why they'd be so fragile later.
Makes me think of the parallels with human kids and the things that some studies can develop with them if they don't get time to just play outside and be kids (obesity, allergies, etc). Playing is good for lots of young "critters," I guess! Thanks for the post!
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09-11-2007, 01:16 PM
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09-12-2007, 07:33 PM
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Yeah, but who doesn't like Demaloot Demashoot?
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09-13-2007, 11:16 AM
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I've written ads for about 50% of the stallions on that bottom list. Guess that means they're cheap
But i still love them!I see Fort Chaffee on there; i foaled out a filly of his - she's up to 42 starts now, and the ONLY one left of my 2000 & 2001 foaling crops that is still running.
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