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Old 08-22-2012, 10:20 AM
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Default 8/25 (SAR): Travers, King's Bishop, Test (G1's), Ballston Spa (G3)

9th (4:05) Ballston Spa S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Heavenly Landing Rosario J 118 L
2 Zagora (FR) Dominguez R A 120 L
3 Thundering Emilia Clemente A V 118 L
4 Hungry Island Velazquez J R 120 L
5 Summer Soiree Leparoux J R 120 L
6 Tapitsfly Castellano J J 123 L
7 Ruthenia Lezcano J 118 L
8 Mykindofladyfriend Napravnik R 118 L
MTO Acting Happy Lezcano J 119 L



10th (4:38) Test S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Well Kept Ortiz I Jr 116 L
2 Aubby K Prado E S 116 L
3 Book Review Castellano J J 116 L
4 Yara Napravnik R 120 L
5 Beautiful But Blue Alvarado J 116 L
6 Jazzy Idea Lezcano J 116 L
7 Gypsy Robin Velazquez J R 120 Blk-Off L
8 Contested Bejarano R 122 L
9 Ullapool Rosario J 116 L
10 Amie's Dini Cohen D 116 L



11th (5:10) Foxwoods King's Bishop S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Willy Beamin Garcia Alan 119 L
2 Gun Boat Bejarano R 117 Blk-On L
3 Currency Swap Maragh R 121 L
4 Fort Loudon Alvarado J 119 L
5 Laurie's Rocket Rosario J 119 L
6 Spin Out Napravnik R 117 L
7 Ever So Lucky Velazquez J R 117 L
8 Unbridled's Note Leparoux J R 117 L
9 Trinniberg Martinez W 121 L
10 Doctor Chit Dominguez R A 119 L



12th (5:46) Travers S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1. Speightscity (Contessa/Ortiz) 30-1
2. Five Sixteen (Schettino/Napravnik) 15-1
3. Golden Ticket (McPeek/Cohen) 20-1
4. Stealcase (Casse/Bridgmohan) 15-1
5. Street Life (C. Brown/Lezcano) 5-1
6. Alpha (McLaughlin/Dominguez) 5-2
7. Atigun (McPeek/M. Smith) 12-1
8. Neck n Neck (Wilkes/Goncalves) 9-2
9. Liaison (Baffert/Bejarano) 8-1
10. Nonios (Hollendorfer/Velazquez) 4-1
11. Fast Falcon (Zito/Alvarado) 20-1
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:25 AM
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At least we still have Alpha....
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:32 AM
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Two years in a row where the Travers favorite finished 12th in the Kentucky Derby.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:32 AM
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At least we still have Alpha....
That is exactly what I was thinking.
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Old 08-22-2012, 02:42 PM
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This Travers is as easy as I can remember. No one but Alpha or Neck n Neck can win this race. Everyone else just stinks. And that's including my man Bobs horse.
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Old 08-22-2012, 02:45 PM
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Neck N Neck for me on a dry strip. There are quite a few in there that have no chance whatsoever.
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Old 08-22-2012, 03:24 PM
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No love for Street Life? Or Liaison? I really like Alpha, but I'm looking for one or both of these two to step up.
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Old 08-22-2012, 03:49 PM
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No love for Street Life? Or Liaison? I really like Alpha, but I'm looking for one or both of these two to step up.
I don't want to give up on Liaison, but he's been really frustrating.

I don't understand the love for Alpha and Neck n' Neck but what do I know.

This is not exactly the most exciting field in the world...
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Old 08-22-2012, 04:12 PM
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In addition to being disappointed in the Travers field, I'm also dissatisfied with Friday & Saturdays card. There isn't one race either day for 1 1/8 on the main track. I'll be there in person both days, but I'm not as excited in years past.
The weather will be great and i'll enjoy myself, but I think it's odd not to be able to card a route race either day.
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Old 08-22-2012, 04:29 PM
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If I knew how to multi quote I would, but I dont. So this is in response to a few of the above comments.
Fridays card is not that good, I agree. Saturdays card is absolutely loaded. Amazing card on Saturday. Not really sure what anyone else could ask for.
Alpha is actually better then he looks, if thats possible. On paper he looks like a horse who set a super slow pace and ran off. Thats all true. A closer look tells me he is a bull anywhere but Churchill. He loves this track, and will like the distance. No value at all, but the horse to beat. Neck n Neck can beat him. Neck n Neck was up against it last time, and his Churchill races destroy Alpha. Can he run those races at Toga? Im not sure. Im going to bet that he can though. Ill use them both in multis with no back ups. Street Life is still a slug. Maybe he improves with age and distance, I just dont think Saturday is his time. Not yet. Not enough pace.
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Old 08-22-2012, 09:07 PM
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For the Travers being really weak, the Kings Bishop field is pretty nice. Trinniberg, Currency Swap, Dr Chit... Not bad
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Old 08-23-2012, 02:54 AM
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Kings Bishop is great. Ill try beating Trinniberg again. Failed at that on Belmont day, but the pace sceniro figures to be different in here. Speed inside and outside of him, I think he is in trouble. Not in love with Currency Swap either, but ill use him at least. My main 3 will be Gun Boat who is working great. His last is a total toss, so I look at this as a cutback and I love a cutback. Ill use Ever So Lucky who I admit has been a total disapointment, but if he is any horse at all he will show it in here on the cutback. And Unbridleds Note who I thought had a bit of a sneaky trip last time when the rider was unable to get him in the clear. Never got outside for the stretch run. Maybe he sits 5th or 6th in here from the outside and runs late. 10- 1 or so on a lightly raced horse who I think has a little talent is worth it to me.
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Old 08-23-2012, 03:21 AM
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Nonios will romp in the Travers.
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Old 08-23-2012, 03:27 AM
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How it is possible to be disappointed in the Travers field is beyond me considering what is left out there. Will another 3yo only stake get 11 like this rest of year? The vast majority of top 3yos are injured, retired, or given time off, and they still get 11, even with the late entrants, one of whom insures no one Little Mike's the race. I'd be disappointed in the fragility of top 3yoz that are trained by Baffert and Pletcher and the like. When people complain that next years Wood or Florida Derby aren't great, maybe it will help you get better quality in the Travers field.

I hope someone keeps track of all these Pletcher 2yo winners and reports back in 9 months.

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Old 08-23-2012, 04:25 AM
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Nonios will romp in the Travers.
He made a few runs at Paynter, and I feel Paynter would crush this field. So if your looking at it like that, I get it. I still feel he is a cut below the top 2. Even though he was second to Paynter, he was still not even close to beating him. I'm not sold on him, 2nd tier comes to mind when looking at his pps.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:29 AM
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How it is possible to be disappointed in the Travers field is beyond me considering what is left out there. Will another 3yo only stake get 11 like this rest of year? The vast majority of top 3yos are injured, retired, or given time off, and they still get 11, even with the late entrants, one of whom insures no one Little Mike's the race. I'd be disappointed in the fragility of top 3yoz that are trained by Baffert and Pletcher and the like. When people complain that next years Wood or Florida Derby aren't great, maybe it will help you get better quality in the Travers field.

I hope someone keeps track of all these Pletcher 2yo winners and reports back in 9 months.
Pat really? How can you defend that field. Sometimes its best to keep quiet and have people think you are a NYRA schill then open your mouth and remove all doubts. Your best strategy in this sitaution is to point out how great the other 3 races in the P4 came up.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:31 AM
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Nonios will romp in the Travers.
I just feel CD form translates better at Toga than Mth form.
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Old 08-23-2012, 06:13 AM
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Pat really? How can you defend that field. Sometimes its best to keep quiet and have people think you are a NYRA schill then open your mouth and remove all doubts. Your best strategy in this sitaution is to point out how great the other 3 races in the P4 came up.
I don't understand how the Travers field can be questioned either. If you're complaining about the field it implies that you believe there are horses that are not running - who are they?

Put differently, you can complain or more accurately, be disappointed with tge quality of our remaining three year olds (due to injuries) - But you have to realize that is a very different argument.

Also, from a betting standpoint this seems like a very good group - meaning that this field has more opportunities than a field with a 4/5 Paynter. Unless of course you were against him (silly).
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Pat really? How can you defend that field. Sometimes its best to keep quiet and have people think you are a NYRA schill then open your mouth and remove all doubts. Your best strategy in this sitaution is to point out how great the other 3 races in the P4 came up.
Your being way to harsh. Other then Paynter, who else could have entered?
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Old 08-23-2012, 06:26 AM
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I don't understand how the Travers field can be questioned either. If you're complaining about the field it implies that you believe there are horses that are not running - who are they?

Put differently, you can complain or more accurately, be disappointed with tge quality of our remaining three year olds (due to injuries) - But you have to realize that is a very different argument.

Also, from a betting standpoint this seems like a very good group - meaning that this field has more opportunities than a field with a 4/5 Paynter. Unless of course you were against him (silly).
Who said i am complaining? I am stating the obvious that the field is not that good. How it got that way is not relevent. I am taking exception to Pat's constant defense of any critiscm leveled of any NY race or card out of hand. Maybe a better tact would be that it is what it is due to the decimation of the crop but at least it is a better betting race. If you need to have caveats when defending the quality of a race then you basically made the case of those saying that the quality is not on par with previous years. Good betting race, YES good Travers field NO.

1-Speightcity
2/7 MSW,N1X
0-3 Graded
0-1 Grade 1 9th beaten 11 1/2
2-FiveSixteen
1/8 MSW
0-1 Grade 1 5th beaten 10th
3-Golden Ticket
1/9 MSW
0-2 Graded
4-Stealcase
2/9 MSW, N1X
0-4 Graded
0-1 G1 3rd beaten 8.5
5-Streetlife
3/7 MSW, Stk-100 Stk-100
0/6 Graded
0/2 G1 4 7-1/2. 6-7 1/2
6-Alpha
4/8 MSW, Stk, G3, G2
2/6 Graded
0/4 G1
7-Atigun
3/11 MSW, N1X, N2X
0/5 Graded
0/2 G1 2-2, 11-9 1/2
8-Neck'n Neck
3/11 MSW, N1X, G3
1/5 Graded
0/1 Grade 1 5-4 1/2
9-Liason
3/11 MSW, Stk 100, G1
Graded 1/8
G1 1/3 6-7, 6-9 1/2. Win
10-Nonios
3/6 MSW, N1X, G3
Graded 1/3
G1 0/1 w 3 3/4
11 Fast Falcon
1/6 MSW
0/2 Graded


Combined Graded 5/45
Combined Grade 1 1/16
Combined 2012 Grade 1 0/13
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